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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You realize your saying that "Man venting Co2 into the atmosphere is not natural", you are thereby saying that man should stop breathing because we exhale Co2...So in the spirit of addressing the problem I suggest that all these AGW nuts contribute first by ceasing their exhalations....
    Seems like a guy that disputes the conclusions of most scientists might want to UNDERSTAND the scientific issues before he comments.

    But I guess you think that respiration = disruption in the carbon cycle....
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You realize your saying that "Man venting Co2 into the atmosphere is not natural", you are thereby saying that man should stop breathing because we exhale Co2...So in the spirit of addressing the problem I suggest that all these AGW nuts contribute first by ceasing their exhalations....
    Yup. I'm all for that.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over (part 1 of 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That wasn't the premise of my argument. I'll cut and paste my argument for J-mac for you here. He couldn't handle it and was forced to run away, but maybe you can tackle it.

    But all of this is a detour from my main point of interest which is this: why are you more interested in the "opinions" of people who have no training in a scientific field than those who do? What makes you think listening to those uneducated people will give you a more informed understanding of the topic? Let's say I'm trying to get my head around the topic of fixing my car. Which method of research is going to leave me more informed on the matter, and which will make me more ignorant?

    1) Reading blogs and comments by art and philosophy majors, or
    2) Going to forums specifically dedicated to car repair or, better yet, just asking a car mechanic directly

    Now, keep in mind, people who are legitimately qualified to repair cars disagree with each other frequently, but which of those options is guaranteed to have me walking away even more of an idiot than I began?
    I dispute the assertion that there is broad based consensus on the matter in the scientific community.

    Many are listed here (with their accreditation): List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    as well as in these articles.

    Peer-Reviewed Survey Finds Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis - Forbes

    Climate Study: Evidence Leans Against Human-Caused Global Warming

    31,000 scientists say "no convincing evidence". — OSS Foundation

    Joseph Bast and Roy Spencer: The Myth of the Climate Change '97%' - WSJ
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Says: The NOAA fudges the data.

    Says: You can tell by looking at the NOAA data.

    LOL !!

    No, I can tell by their decision to quietly change their minds and admit that July 2012 was NOT the Hottest month on record.

    You DO understand the concept of the Scientific method, don't you ?

    Deliberately altering data to achieve the desired end result is only " Science " to the Liberals who are ideologically predisposed to believe what their politicians and the media tell them to believe .

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over (part 1 of 2)

    You're actively (and super obviously) avoiding the question. Why are you attending a meeting of art and philosophy majors in discussing car repair instead of a meeting of car mechanics?

    You can try like everybody else in this thread to draw me away from my point into a debate on global warming all day long, I guarantee you it won't work.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !!

    No, I can tell by their decision to quietly change their minds and admit that July 2012 was NOT the Hottest month on record.

    You DO understand the concept of the Scientific method, don't you ?

    Deliberately altering data to achieve the desired end result is only " Science " to the Liberals who are ideologically predisposed to believe what their politicians and the media tell them to believe .
    Knows the data is manipulated to come up with an endpoint he doesnt like.

    Shows that the data was manipulated when it comes up with an endpoint he does like.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over (part 1 of 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're actively (and super obviously) avoiding the question. Why are you attending a meeting of art and philosophy majors in discussing car repair instead of a meeting of car mechanics?

    You can try like everybody else in this thread to draw me away from my point into a debate on global warming all day long, I guarantee you it won't work.
    An interesting list of art majors . . . .
    Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections

    Scientists in this section have made comments that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.




    List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Hold on. There's more.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I can't but the scientists that deal with these things can. Again, you cannot "prove" anything in science. You can only support ideas with evidence. Gravity is not "proven", our understanding of the phenomena simply allows us to navigate the characteristics that can be reliably used again and again. We can apply maths to an object rolling down a plank at a certain angle and figure its speed and acceleration. These systems work so we use them. How gravity actually works we don't really know, gravitons? Even if we knew that we still couldn't "prove" gravity because of other unknowns. What are gravitons made of? What are the things gravitons are made of made of? How do all these things work together? Where did they come from? You can't prove anything in science, you can only gravitate towards the seemingly best ideas.

    Btw, you don't capitalize science and scientific, it is not a magical entity like Jesus.

    So... you believe mainstream science is all corrupt, so who are the real scientists? What are the true scientific institutions?

    Lol !

    And we're the one's who are scientifically ignorant ?

    In Science there are LAWS and THEORIES, and there are distinctions between the two.

    For example, the Laws of Thermodynamics compared to the Theory of Evolution.

    Laws are empirical statements or descriptions without exception at the time they were created.

    Theories are explanations based on a acquired set of observations that seek to expand the knowledge of that observable phenomena.

    And you're getting no where with the generalizations and hyperbole. No one said all of main stream Science was corrupt.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over (part 1 of 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're actively (and super obviously) avoiding the question. Why are you attending a meeting of art and philosophy majors in discussing car repair instead of a meeting of car mechanics?

    You can try like everybody else in this thread to draw me away from my point into a debate on global warming all day long, I guarantee you it won't work.
    An interesting list of art majors . . . . (cont)
    Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

    Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

    List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And Yet more.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over (part 1 of 2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're actively (and super obviously) avoiding the question. Why are you attending a meeting of art and philosophy majors in discussing car repair instead of a meeting of car mechanics?

    You can try like everybody else in this thread to draw me away from my point into a debate on global warming all day long, I guarantee you it won't work.
    An interesting list of art majors . . . . (cont)


    List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Still more to come.
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