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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Even though AGW reduces CO2 (less than 5 percent of all earthly greenhouse gases) AGW doesn't target the reduction of greenhouse gases because:
    (1) water vapor is about 95 percent of all earthly greenhouse gases. Water vapor is always in earth's atmosphere in the cycle of rain to evaporation to rain.
    (2) methane has been tested to be approximately 25 times MORE EFFECTIVE in trapping heat in earth's atmosphere than CO2.

    AGW doesn't reduce all the greenhouse gases, just CO2, because they believe man is the main (only) causer of global warming.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

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    From highly insulting people that think that those that disagree with them are somehow just north of mentally handicapped, to the mockery of the disciple of Gorentology that comes at you with the viciousness of a typical cult member when their religion is under question, it is clear that the majority of voters in this country don't buy the lie that the case is settled, that the argument is over...

    Back to fringe obscurity GW lunatics.
    Over?

    Well for me it's not so much 'over' as it's 'the same **** that people keep repeating and it's nothing new' at this point.

    So over no - tiring yes.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Actually (and sadly) that is the only tangible conclusion one can derive from the poll: not the quality of the opinions expressed (they're uneducated), but the failure of the science community's effort to convince the public in the face of 24/7 propaganda against global warming. And yes, as you said, the resulting difficulty in creating legislation that adequately combats it.
    But your entire premise is founded on assumption that global warming, specifically human caused global warming, is correct.

    I submit that this, as of yet, not a proven assumption, as would 80% of the people surveyed.

    Further, you are so convinced in the assumption that that global warming, specifically human caused global warming, is correct and without a doubt, that any information or opinions that counter this are dismissed as propaganda and uneducated people.

    I'm guessing that you can tell by now that you aren't going to get very far with this attitude that you (and others of the global warming front) hold, which is that you all are so convinced that human caused global warming is correct, and the rest of the dissenters need to just shut up and go away and be overruled. This isn't how you go about making friends and influencing enemies, you know.

    All in all, seems that you and others are playing Don Quixote, and the greater resistance is simply the reaction to the attitude. And the resistance is of your own making. In the end this'll lose for that very reason.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Over?

    Well for me it's not so much 'over' as it's 'the same **** that people keep repeating and it's nothing new' at this point.

    So over no - tiring yes.
    I'll second that Spike....I swear sometimes it's like trying to talk with the guy wearing the sandwich board on the corner, screaming "Repent your sins, the end is near".....
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'll second that Spike....I swear sometimes it's like trying to talk with the guy wearing the sandwich board on the corner, screaming "Repent your sins, the end is near".....
    Yeah, it's all getting to be a bit much.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Even though AGW reduces CO2 (less than 5 percent of all earthly greenhouse gases) AGW doesn't target the reduction of greenhouse gases because:
    (1) water vapor is about 95 percent of all earthly greenhouse gases. Water vapor is always in earth's atmosphere in the cycle of rain to evaporation to rain.
    (2) methane, another greenhouse gas, has been tested to be approximately 25 times MORE EFFECTIVE in trapping heat in earth's atmosphere than CO2.

    AGW doesn't attempt to reduce great portions of greenhouse gases, just CO2, because of the belief that man is the main (only) causer of global warming. Maybe this global warming disaster you predict isn't imminent?
    The natural composition of the atmosphere contains water and methane and yes they are greenhouse gases. However they are also natural and belong there because of the history of the Earth. This natural cycle is longstanding and slow, its changes happen over thousands of years. Life has adapted to these conditions, slowly, over billions of years.

    Man venting Co2 into the atmosphere is not natural, it is changing the composition of it. This effect is changing the climate through global warming. Why would we not address the man made changes that are causing this change?

    We need some greenhouse gases to keep the Earth warm, it is a balance that has been worked out over millions of years. We are upsetting this balance.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    But your entire premise is founded on assumption that global warming, specifically human caused global warming, is correct.

    I submit that this, as of yet, not a proven assumption, as would 80% of the people surveyed.

    Further, you are so convinced in the assumption that that global warming, specifically human caused global warming, is correct and without a doubt, that any information or opinions that counter this are dismissed as propaganda and uneducated people.

    I'm guessing that you can tell by now that you aren't going to get very far with this attitude that you (and others of the global warming front) hold, which is that you all are so convinced that human caused global warming is correct, and the rest of the dissenters need to just shut up and go away and be overruled. This isn't how you go about making friends and influencing enemies, you know.

    All in all, seems that you and others are playing Don Quixote, and the greater resistance is simply the reaction to the attitude. And the resistance is of your own making. In the end this'll lose for that very reason.
    That wasn't the premise of my argument. I'll cut and paste my argument for J-mac for you here. He couldn't handle it and was forced to run away, but maybe you can tackle it.

    But all of this is a detour from my main point of interest which is this: why are you more interested in the "opinions" of people who have no training in a scientific field than those who do? What makes you think listening to those uneducated people will give you a more informed understanding of the topic? Let's say I'm trying to get my head around the topic of fixing my car. Which method of research is going to leave me more informed on the matter, and which will make me more ignorant?

    1) Reading blogs and comments by art and philosophy majors, or
    2) Going to forums specifically dedicated to car repair or, better yet, just asking a car mechanic directly

    Now, keep in mind, people who are legitimately qualified to repair cars disagree with each other frequently, but which of those options is guaranteed to have me walking away even more of an idiot than I began?

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Man venting Co2 into the atmosphere is not natural, it is changing the composition of it. This effect is changing the climate through global warming. Why would we not address the man made changes that are causing this change?
    You realize your saying that "Man venting Co2 into the atmosphere is not natural", you are thereby saying that man should stop breathing because we exhale Co2...So in the spirit of addressing the problem I suggest that all these AGW nuts contribute first by ceasing their exhalations....
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I'll second that Spike....I swear sometimes it's like trying to talk with the guy wearing the sandwich board on the corner, screaming "Repent your sins, the end is near".....
    Except for the fact that the guy with the sandwich board is not really saying that, and what his sign says is agreed upon by virtually every scientist who studies the issue and virtually every major scientific organization on the planet.

    Only you guys think you understand the science better than the National Academy of Sciences.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You realize your saying that "Man venting Co2 into the atmosphere is not natural", you are thereby saying that man should stop breathing because we exhale Co2...So in the spirit of addressing the problem I suggest that all these AGW nuts contribute first by ceasing their exhalations....
    You're funnier than you are educated, but not very funny.

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