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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    You kinda explained my point for me, thanks. That the scientific community has strong biases as a theory is first introduced... even though they call themselves 'scientists'. However, as the data and consequent testing helps to prove (if no other qualified scientist can find major errors in testing results or interpretation) or disprove a theory, scientists finally come around to accepting or not accepting the validity of a theory, unless the theory has a HUGE amount of ideology to overcome sometimes scientists like, for example, Galileo are disproved even though they have no errors in their logic or findings. Or theories like AGW are 'proved' without any evidence.
    Have you ever looked for the evidence? You might be shocked at what you find...

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    How does Evolution imply matter evolving into a complex state?

    From my understanding, Evolution is the result of selective reproduction, in that those with genetic variances that have a positive survival impact propagate those genetic variances to a greater extent than those without it. Accumulated long enough, a new species comes to rise.
    Doesn't the first sentence of your post summarize the second second sentence of your post succinctly? If it doesn't you'd better explain that to me.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Have you ever looked for the evidence? You might be shocked at what you find...
    All I know is believers in global warming don't use greenhouse gases (the base explanation for global warming) to explain global warming, they use man's pollution of the environment as an explanation of global warming, and besides, their data is inconclusive (unless one believes in AGW).

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Doesn't the first sentence of your post summarize the second second sentence of your post succinctly? If it doesn't you'd better explain that to me.
    No I don't think so.

    The second sentence describes the evolution of living things, which are already complex systems.

    Isn't your post saying that matter, that would be non-living materials, evolve, as you call it, into living things? Isn't that a different question? Or am I not understanding you correctly?

    To me, your question is specifically raising the question about the instant that non-living matter transformed into a living thing, the origination of life forms itself.

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    At least so it is currently hypothesized, to my understanding anyway.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    That a majority of scientists believe in the AGW explanation before corroborating evidence can be found to support the AGW hypothesis, shows their biases. Those who test and don't agree are unbelievers. Are 'blasphemers'. Let's find some facts on this, OK. I'm sick of your ideologies.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    No I don't think so.

    The second sentence describes the evolution of living things, which are already complex systems.

    Isn't your post saying that matter, that would be non-living materials, evolve, as you call it, into living things? Isn't that a different question? Or am I not understanding you correctly?

    To me, your question is specifically raising the question about the instant that non-living matter transformed into a living thing, the origination of life forms itself.

    Miller–Urey experiment - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    At least so it is currently hypothesized, to my understanding anyway.
    OK, for you, I've always been referring to living organisms...

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    All I know is believers in global warming don't use greenhouse gases (the base explanation for global warming) to explain global warming, they use man's pollution of the environment as an explanation of global warming, and besides, their data is inconclusive (unless one believes in AGW).
    "Believers in global warming"? I'm a trustee of the scientific community and if they say AGW is happening and the evidence is strong I believe them. Greenhouse gas, mostly Co2, is the main culprit for GW. I have never heard somebody say pollution (but not Co2) is causing GW.

    You're not really making much sense here.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    That a majority of scientists believe in the AGW explanation before corroborating evidence can be found to support the AGW hypothesis, shows their biases. Those who test and don't agree are unbelievers. Are 'blasphemers'. Let's find some facts on this, OK. I'm sick of your ideologies.
    Given the fact that the corroborating evidence is quite clear, I think YOU are the one showing your ideology. And its incompatible with science.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    "Believers in global warming"? I'm a trustee of the scientific community and if they say AGW is happening and the evidence is strong I believe them. Greenhouse gas, mostly Co2, is the main culprit for GW. I have never heard somebody say pollution (but not Co2) is causing GW.

    You're not really making much sense here.
    Even though AGW reduces CO2 (less than 5 percent of all earthly greenhouse gases) AGW doesn't target the reduction of greenhouse gases because:
    (1) water vapor is about 95 percent of all earthly greenhouse gases. Water vapor is always in earth's atmosphere in the cycle of rain to evaporation to rain.
    (2) methane, another greenhouse gas, has been tested to be approximately 25 times MORE EFFECTIVE in trapping heat in earth's atmosphere than CO2.

    AGW doesn't attempt to reduce great portions of greenhouse gases, just CO2, because of the belief that man is the main (only) causer of global warming. Maybe this global warming disaster you predict isn't imminent?
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yeah, so any opinion or position that you disagree with are 'opinions not of any worth whatsoever'? Hmm. Let me ponder that for awhile.

    Besides, if only 20% of the people believe the matter to be settled, how do you expect to effect legislation and policy with such a minority position? Isn't that the real question besides impugning those that disagree with you?
    Actually (and sadly) that is the only tangible conclusion one can derive from the poll: not the quality of the opinions expressed (they're uneducated), but the failure of the science community's effort to convince the public in the face of 24/7 propaganda against global warming. And yes, as you said, the resulting difficulty in creating legislation that adequately combats it.

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