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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, there was an ice age scare during that period. 1970s Global Cooling Scare | Real Science

    Could it be, like all the other scares we were warned about, that it is a scam? Why not follow the money, or look at increased government regulations and powers they received since concocting these scare stories for a gullible public? The Overpopulation Hoax – LewRockwell.com
    Yeah, pretty much.

    Busting Myths
    During the opening dinner, meteorologist Joe Bastardi explained extreme weather events are not becoming any more frequent or severe as the planet warms. To the contrary, Bastardi documented how hurricanes, tornadoes, wildfires, and other extreme weather events are declining in frequency and severity. To the extent there are short-term increases in extreme weather events at some places within the overall global decline, Bastardi showed those follow weather and climate patterns that existed long before recent global warming.

    During the breakfast session on Day 2, Greenpeace cofounder Patrick Moore chronicled the radicalization of once-noble environmentalist groups. Standing before photographs of himself leading environmental protests and provocative actions against whalers and other corporate entitites, Moore explained how Greenpeace and other environmental activist groups are now harming human health and welfare by demanding so many resources be dedicated to the fictitious global warming crisis. True environmental progress would be made fighting for land conservation and other real environmental concerns rather than trumped-up global warming claims, Moore explained.

    Patrick Michaels, a past president of the American Association of State Climatologists and former program chair for the Committee on Applied Climatology of the American Meteorological Society, explained during the Day 2 luncheon how government research grants are promoting the false notion of an alarmist consensus. Large government research grants are handed out almost uniformly to scientists who will promote the idea of global warming crisis, which ensures more budgetary dollars for government agencies addressing the topic and subsequently more research grants for the participating scientists, he noted.
    Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events

    Not sure if I'd call these folks 'knuckle dragging' through. That would appear to be awfully bold and needlessly and unfairly dismissive for a valid position.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yeah, pretty much.

    Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events

    Not sure if I'd call these folks 'knuckle dragging' through. That would appear to be awfully bold and needlessly and unfairly dismissive for a valid position.
    A Heartland Institute conference (you know, the same people who were the think tank for tobacco companies fighting regulation and saying the science was not certain?)????

    Thats almost the textbook definition of 'knuckle dragging'.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    A Heartland Institute conference (you know, the same people who were the think tank for tobacco companies fighting regulation and saying the science was not certain?)????Thats almost the textbook definition of 'knuckle dragging'.
    Neither the conference or the people involved concerned tobacco. You don't understand irony.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

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    A Heartland Institute conference (you know, the same people who were the think tank for tobacco companies fighting regulation and saying the science was not certain?)????

    Thats almost the textbook definition of 'knuckle dragging'.
    During the breakfast session on Day 2, Greenpeace cofounder Patrick Moore
    Do you consider one of the founding members of Greenpeace to be so er... I don't know what the modern form of heretical is... that you will not even consider what he has to say?

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    A Heartland Institute conference (you know, the same people who were the think tank for tobacco companies fighting regulation and saying the science was not certain?)????

    Thats almost the textbook definition of 'knuckle dragging'.
    Hmm.
    • Joe Bastardi - Penn State University a degree in meteorology
      Joe Bastardi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    • Patrick Moore - Canadian environmentalist
      Patrick Moore (environmentalist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    • Patrick Michaels, a past president of the American Association of State Climatologists and former program chair for the Committee on Applied Climatology of the American Meteorological Society
      Patrick Michaels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    • Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics at the University of Connecticut
      Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events
    • Dr. John Dunn, a medical doctor, attorney, and advisor for the American Council on Science and Health, debunked EPA assertions that restrictions on power plant emissions will save lives and benefit human health.
      Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events
    • Heartland Institute Senior Fellow James M. Taylor provided a concise and compelling summary of the scientific evidence for modest instead of severe global warming.
      Taylor received his bachelor's degree from Dartmouth College where he studied atmospheric science and majored in government. He received his Juris Doctorate from Syracuse University. James M. Taylor | Heartland Institute
    • E. Calvin Beisner, Ph.D., founder and national spokesman of the Cornwall Alliance; Paul Driessen, J.D., a senior advisor to the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow and Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise; and Peter Ferrara, J.D., a senior fellow of The Heartland Institute.
      Panelists Beisner, Driessen, and Ferrara all argued climate alarmists tend to be radical environmentalists who view people primarily as polluters and consumers who use up Earth’s resources and poison the planet in the process, never seeing free people as voluntarily being good stewards of natural resources. Through the manmade global warming alarm, activists have used governments to deny affordable and reliable energy and other modern blessings to the developing world, panelists noted.
      Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events


    (*Sarcasm*) Yeah, you are right. They are all knuckle draggers with PhD. degrees or other advanced degrees, and / or years of experience in the subject, and really don't know anything.

    I think that's a fail.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    It seems pretty much hashed to death....

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by nic11 View Post
    It seems pretty much hashed to death....

    Climate Change: Consensus
    Thousands of scientists and hundreds of institutions hardly compare to a few dozen miscellaneous deniers!

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Hmm.
    • Joe Bastardi - Penn State University a degree in meteorology
      Joe Bastardi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    • Patrick Moore - Canadian environmentalist
      Patrick Moore (environmentalist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    • Patrick Michaels, a past president of the American Association of State Climatologists and former program chair for the Committee on Applied Climatology of the American Meteorological Society
      Patrick Michaels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    • Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics at the University of Connecticut
      Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events
    • Dr. John Dunn, a medical doctor, attorney, and advisor for the American Council on Science and Health, debunked EPA assertions that restrictions on power plant emissions will save lives and benefit human health.
      Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events
    • Heartland Institute Senior Fellow James M. Taylor provided a concise and compelling summary of the scientific evidence for modest instead of severe global warming.
      Taylor received his bachelor's degree from Dartmouth College where he studied atmospheric science and majored in government. He received his Juris Doctorate from Syracuse University. James M. Taylor | Heartland Institute
    • E. Calvin Beisner, Ph.D., founder and national spokesman of the Cornwall Alliance; Paul Driessen, J.D., a senior advisor to the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow and Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise; and Peter Ferrara, J.D., a senior fellow of The Heartland Institute.
      Panelists Beisner, Driessen, and Ferrara all argued climate alarmists tend to be radical environmentalists who view people primarily as polluters and consumers who use up Earth’s resources and poison the planet in the process, never seeing free people as voluntarily being good stewards of natural resources. Through the manmade global warming alarm, activists have used governments to deny affordable and reliable energy and other modern blessings to the developing world, panelists noted.
      Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events


    (*Sarcasm*) Yeah, you are right. They are all knuckle draggers with PhD. degrees or other advanced degrees, and / or years of experience in the subject, and really don't know anything.

    I think that's a fail.
    Finding a bunch of nutjobs with PhDs isnt that hard when you pay them well.

    These guys are mostly sort of a joke in scientific terms.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Hmm.
    • Joe Bastardi - Penn State University a degree in meteorology
      Joe Bastardi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    • Patrick Moore - Canadian environmentalist
      Patrick Moore (environmentalist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    • Patrick Michaels, a past president of the American Association of State Climatologists and former program chair for the Committee on Applied Climatology of the American Meteorological Society
      Patrick Michaels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    • Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics at the University of Connecticut
      Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events
    • Dr. John Dunn, a medical doctor, attorney, and advisor for the American Council on Science and Health, debunked EPA assertions that restrictions on power plant emissions will save lives and benefit human health.
      Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events
    • Heartland Institute Senior Fellow James M. Taylor provided a concise and compelling summary of the scientific evidence for modest instead of severe global warming.
      Taylor received his bachelor's degree from Dartmouth College where he studied atmospheric science and majored in government. He received his Juris Doctorate from Syracuse University. James M. Taylor | Heartland Institute
    • E. Calvin Beisner, Ph.D., founder and national spokesman of the Cornwall Alliance; Paul Driessen, J.D., a senior advisor to the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow and Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise; and Peter Ferrara, J.D., a senior fellow of The Heartland Institute.
      Panelists Beisner, Driessen, and Ferrara all argued climate alarmists tend to be radical environmentalists who view people primarily as polluters and consumers who use up Earth’s resources and poison the planet in the process, never seeing free people as voluntarily being good stewards of natural resources. Through the manmade global warming alarm, activists have used governments to deny affordable and reliable energy and other modern blessings to the developing world, panelists noted.
      Myths busted at climate change conference | Human Events


    (*Sarcasm*) Yeah, you are right. They are all knuckle draggers with PhD. degrees or other advanced degrees, and / or years of experience in the subject, and really don't know anything.

    I think that's a fail.
    I have a degree in a scientific field, should everyone listen to me?

    The point is this is all a drop in the bucket. If you were to list all of those composing the mainstream view about global warming it would cover thousands of pages of references.

    Having a degree and holding a title does not necessarily mean you are not a nutcase or even remotely right about anything. Certainly it is noteworthy and elevates them above the typical science enthusiast and should be considered, but is in no way proof of anything.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    Do you consider one of the founding members of Greenpeace to be so er... I don't know what the modern form of heretical is... that you will not even consider what he has to say?
    Well, I guess I consider a guy that SAYS he was a founding member of Greenpeace but he actually seems to be, errr.. lying... to be a little suspect in the veracity department.

    I guess you have no problem with someone who lies and misrepresents their past if it fits in with your beliefs, though. Good luck with that.

    Greenpeace's statement in part says:

    Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace
    Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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