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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Why the alarms? Here's one better: what scientific proof is there of global warming? What causes global warming?
    Read here and get back to us:

    IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

    Its pretty clearly outlined.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Why the alarms? Here's one better: what scientific proof is there of global warming?
    Because they're arriving at conclusions based on what people who have no qualifications in the field are telling them, and because they think that a subject that has involved years of study and research "isn't very complicated." Would you hire a car mechanic to do your taxes, a martial arts instructor to cut your hair, me to teach you how to fire guns? If the answer to those questions is a resounding "Duh, of course not," then why are you listening to people who have no qualifications on the subject tell you about global warming? And why, for the love of God (and per the thread's topic), would you feel more certain about your opinion on global warming because a lot of uneducated yahoos also say global warming isn't real?

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Well I think I completly made my point here. I and other that believes in the scientifc communinties have posted many scientific report including the massive IPCC report. And what do I get then I yet agian ask what scientific evidendence the people questin AGW have? All I got is a link to a op ed and not even the first people mentioned in that op ed are scientists. Instead they are a journalist and a person working for republicans.

    Christopher Booker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Marc Morano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Also scientist are tough look for example at Clair Cameron Pattersson who took on the mighty oil companies and won.

    Clair Cameron Patterson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So you can't say that amongst tens of thousands of scientist their would be none tough enough to question global warming. And in the case of Global Warming you can't deny that it's a lot of powerful interest againts global warming that would gladly support scientists that question global warming.

    So if it's so much wrong with the IPCC and the scientifc result about global warming we could have a real scientific debate about gw. Their the people against global warming would present scientific findings and scientist question gw. Instead the people question GW have posted links to op ed and opions of non scientiss.

    Then it comes to reducing greenhous gases their are a lot of positive example. For example I have linked to sources about a drastic global increase in both solar and wind power and also both presented a report and concrete positive example with community power. Also I have posted a link to a souce the cost could be 1 % of global GDP to reduce greenhouse gases.

    You also don't have to forget the massive subsidies to the fossil fuel companies. That during the period 2002-2008 the subsidies to fossil fuel was 72 billion compared to 29 billion to renewable in the USA.

    http://www.eli.org/sites/default/fil...ubs/d19_07.pdf


    Besides the cost for subsidies you also have to consider the huge military and political cost of being dependent on oil from the middle east.
    Well stated for one who obviously is a strong believer. But anecdotal evidence/examples does not substitute for the big picture that your sources do not address. Reciting the same doctrine over and over does not necessarily make it true. One reason I have such questions and doubts about the whole AGW religion is because those who embrace it are so dismissive of the really important questions asked by the skeptics, count none of the skeptics' sources as valid, and generally become highly defensive and unwilling to discuss the topic objectively. This to me smacks of indoctrination and dogma and fanaticism instead of a scientific approach.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Please provide evidence that 'Global scientists are faking the evidence'. Let's see if it comes from a valid source. Is it a journalist that is hooked up with one of the libertarian think tanks that is funded by Exxon Mobile or another oil company?

    Let's see the accusation, and follow the money trail.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Please provide evidence that 'Global scientists are faking the evidence'. Let's see if it comes from a valid source. Is it a journalist that is hooked up with one of the libertarian think tanks that is funded by Exxon Mobile or another oil company?

    Let's see the accusation, and follow the money trail.
    it's not that. I can provide evidence that many scientist disagree over the severity of the climate change, and how much time it will take to really be considered dangerous. Those points alone should give you pause as to HOW MUCH of an issue this is, as well as our ability to make slow changes to make it less of a problem.

    what I'm saying is many libs put this issue as number ONE, while others, who understand the problem, don't think it is so severe that we allow it to dictate who is elected President of Senator. Many think the economy and defense are more immediate issues. And who are you to say they are wrong? when even the scientists still don't agree.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The overwhelming majority of scientists agreeing on something alarms you? That's...odd.
    Why is it odd? It is clear that the science is not concrete and a great deal of controversy still remains.

    Science is not a democracy where the majority votes on what the truth is, though at one time, centuries ago, that might have been the case.

    You may be familiar with the now discredited "Hockey Stick Theory" and some of the unfounded claims people calling themselves "scientists" have made. The Hockey Stick: A New Low in Climate Science

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Please provide evidence that 'Global scientists are faking the evidence'. Let's see if it comes from a valid source. Is it a journalist that is hooked up with one of the libertarian think tanks that is funded by Exxon Mobile or another oil company?

    Let's see the accusation, and follow the money trail.
    There are a few leads here if you want to do some serious investigation. Bret Stephens: Climategate: Follow the Money - WSJ

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are a few leads here if you want to do some serious investigation. Bret Stephens: Climategate: Follow the Money - WSJ

    How ironic, considering his back ground )

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    How ironic, considering his back ground )
    Whose background and what of it?

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Uh, no. If someone claims "nuclear physics isn't real!" I could always ask, "Are you a nuclear physicist? Are you a physicist at all?" If their answer is no, then I can surmise that person probably isn't very qualified to claim that nuclear physics isn't real.
    You could, that's true. But who are you? People are entitled to their own opinions, you can disagree all you want, that doesn't make you right.
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