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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Talk to Longview. I'm sure he will dispute this number.
    I can't think of why I would, That is about what the graph shows.
    It is also represented in the GISS data set.
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt
    The data is after all, the data.
    I was disputing the statement of .7C over the last 30 years,
    You choose to wonder in and try and defined a clearly cherry picked number.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Didn't answer the question. Do you have an open mind, or is your mind made up?
    If the science is 100% then I will obviously be influenced by that. But until it is, and not being a scientist, global warming or cooling of little interest.

    What does interest me is the number of gullible people who can be drawn into these 'end of the earth scenarios' and believe 100% in what they are hearing. They will pay hundreds of dollars to hear stories of how we will all be doomed in a few years unless we do what these people suggest. Calling those who cast a doubtful eye on all these reports are called "deniers", just as those who would dare deny the existence of God.

    They are fools duped by scoundrels, and no one seems to take a lesson from history.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Talk to Longview. I'm sure he will dispute this number.
    Well, he can tell you why that number is wrong from the raw data as he has, but the number from the graph's 5 year average is 0.5.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    People who believe that dinosaurs roamed the earth the same time humans did, and that Jesus might have ridden one, have no business being counted in any "Scientific" study. But, what the hell. I have no knowledge of global finance. How about I answer the question 'What is interest' with 'That is money the stork throws down your chimney when you have money in the bank'. And if the stork runs out of money, he might throw a baby down there once in a while.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Say what???

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    People who believe that dinosaurs roamed the earth the same time humans did, and that Jesus might have ridden one, have no business being counted in any "Scientific" study. But, what the hell. I have no knowledge of global finance. How about I answer the question 'What is interest' with 'That is money the stork throws down your chimney when you have money in the bank'. And if the stork runs out of money, he might throw a baby down there once in a while.

    What the hell are you talking about? Good grief.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I am aware that hoaxes have been played on the gullible for centuries and continues to this day. This is why I'm always skeptical of these 'end of the world' scenarios, as well as the Al Gores and the Bernie Madoffs, and instead look to the money trail. My suspicions increase when skeptics are referred as 'deniers', by those who are convinced the truth has been established and will go to any lengths to support that 'truth'. It has become a religion, not a science.
    Well can't you see your own biases.That in this thread the people that believe in science have been called many names for example lunatics. But this doesn't seem concern you instead you get upset then the word deniers is used.


    I have twice posted link to the latest IPCC report and showed the massive scoop of the report. That ther eport itself is also a summary or hundreds if not thousand peer reweied studies. Also it is probably ten of thousands scientist around the world competent to challenge the findings of the report. So if their was error that disprove the findings of the report their would surely been known. Instead the criticism comes from blogs and opinion pieces, look at this thread their are as I believe not even links to a singel peer rewied study question global warming.

    You can't say that they are one big conparicy. Because if somebody really could question the finding of IPCC. They would be remember for a long time in scientific history.Also oil companies that are amongst the richest in the world already spend a lot of money on thinktanks and other that question globalwarming, do you don't think they would also reward scientists that could disprove global warming?

    To me you sound like the people that didn't want to belive smoking was bad or didn't think it was something wrong with lead in petrol.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    I'd like to see conspiracy theorists removed from both sides of the global warming issue - deniers and environmentalists. Until that time, the global warming science ISN'T settled. It's just ideology.

    BTW Bergslagstroll, which language do you normally speak? I highly doubt it's english.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Well can't you see your own biases.That in this thread the people that believe in science have been called many names for example lunatics. But this doesn't seem concern you instead you get upset then the word deniers is used.


    I have twice posted link to the latest IPCC report and showed the massive scoop of the report. That ther eport itself is also a summary or hundreds if not thousand peer reweied studies. Also it is probably ten of thousands scientist around the world competent to challenge the findings of the report. So if their was error that disprove the findings of the report their would surely been known. Instead the criticism comes from blogs and opinion pieces, look at this thread their are as I believe not even links to a singel peer rewied study question global warming.

    You can't say that they are one big conparicy. Because if somebody really could question the finding of IPCC. They would be remember for a long time in scientific history.Also oil companies that are amongst the richest in the world already spend a lot of money on thinktanks and other that question globalwarming, do you don't think they would also reward scientists that could disprove global warming?

    To me you sound like the people that didn't want to belive smoking was bad or didn't think it was something wrong with lead in petrol.
    And critical thinking requires stepping back and looking at something with unemotional honesty. Have you read any of the well-researched and well written commentary on the scientists who are invited to contribute to the IPCC report? Do you think it possible that the fact that no matter how well qualified, no skeptics are welcome among the scientists who develop the 'consensus' opinion and write those reports? Those who disagree are sort of invited out of the organization? Don't you think it possible that having such a built in bias will affect the conclusions and opinion included in those reports? And are you aware that every scientist who is writing those reports is being heavily funded by governments who promote global warming/climate change? Don't you think that merits even a little bit of a raised eyebrow?

    Do you know that the IPCC Summary for Policymakers are not written by scientists though some participate in the process? But the Summary is generally a product of what the various countries' politicians are willing to accept in the report and therefore it is often something less than 'scientific'.

    Accusing oil companies of funding skeptics to deny climate change is invariably specious as there is absolutely no evidence to support that. Oil companies do hire scientific groups, including those promoting AGW, to do studies almost always relative to EPA and similar agency regulations and requirements in advance of construction or oil exploration. But why would the oil companies support the skeptics to be skeptics? They are making out like bandits within the AGW religious fervor. I have a close family member who works for a major oil company who recently designed and built a beef fat rendering plant to convert beef fat to fuel--the total design, construction, and start up costs, mega millions, are being covered by we the taxpayers who will continue to cover the almost certain losses the company will incur running the plant. And when the taxpayer money runs out, the plant will simply be closed and scrapped as is happening to dozens of other 'green energy' companies that have been government funded. And because of AGW generated rules and regs, oil companies can charge a whole bunch more for products the people have to have regardless of price. Why would they want to screw that up? (And Tyson Foods is also benefitting because the government is buying the beef fat from them to supply to the plant.)

    Ultimately, you have a lot of scientists who have staked their reputations and possibly their careers on the doctrine of AGW and they are also making out like bandits supporting the doctrine. They are unlikely to ever admit they have been wrong.

    For those able to set aside the emotional knee jerk responses, attitudes, and assigned talking points on this subject, can understand and appreciate that stepping back and scrutinizing the whole big picture with a critical eye can do wonders for the truth.

    In summary:
    Governments have implemented fuel taxes on non-renewable energy sources and poured billions into constructing wind farms, and other “green” energy strategies, all in the name of reducing carbon emissions. If these scientists are eventually forced to admit that their climate change theories have been terribly mistaken, it will certainly be a very costly one; incalculable sums of money will have been wasted, and the reputation of the scientific community will be left in tatters. On this basis, what would be the incentive for the IPCC to ever confess they were wrong? (--James Fenner)
    Read more at IPCC Report in Doubt: Are Climate Change Skeptics “Dumb”?
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? Good grief.
    He's saying he has as much qualifications for participating in complicated discussions of global finance as uneducated people have in discussing complicated scientific matters.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 07-19-14 at 02:27 PM.

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