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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    And this is the kind of thing that deniers do. Rather than make a rational argument built on logic and evidence you follow propaganda 101. You play the victim card, the persecution complex, compare a simple word to a phrase of an "evil unbeliever in our religion" and even the Holocaust.

    What kind of nonsense you are spewing here is just that....I no longer wish to participate in your ad hom attacks...
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's likely that a bunch of that 20% are also on the "it's a hoax" side. They also think it's settled.
    "It's likely"? Says who? you? Give me a break....
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "It's likely"? Says who? you? Give me a break....
    So everybody that says it's a hoax is keeping an open mind?

    If you really think so, I gave you too much credit before.


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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    I'm not saying the earth isn't warming or cooling (it's done both). I'm saying extreme warming or cooling could be a problem for mankind.

    Furthermore, I'm saying environmentalists ASSUME man is the only cause of global warming. This is where environmentalists diverge from the 'science', and their ideology (that it's only man, baby) declares what to do about global warming. That's why the only measures to reduce the horror of global warming deal with man's effects on nature.. the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere... and why the end result of weaning the atmosphere of CO2 is to lessen the effects of man on the environment and not to stop global warming.

    I mean, if you TRULY believe greenhouse gases (like on Venus) cause warming on the earth, and you're TRULY fearful of global warming and its effects, you'll think to do a whole lot more than just reduce CO2 in the atmosphere.

    Isn't there an interpretation by Thomas Jefferson's SCOTUS that government should be separate from church? Why isn't the environmentalist's church of man as the only cause of global warming not separated from government because of the separation of church and state?
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    The 2 posts are in conflict with each other. If you have a basic understanding of physics and have done some basic research into AGW and find that your conclusions are at odds with the nonsense is spewed from television, radio, the internet then surely in a democracy you have the duty to hold your opinion.

    Longview's argument, which is made using a decent understanding of the science of the subject as described in the papers which the IPCC uses for the basis of it's argument, is clear. It is that there has been some warming due to increased CO2 and will be more as humanity continues to burn fossil fuel but that it will be minor as per the science and not as per the utterly unsubstantiated additional forcing which the IPCC relies upon to get their higher range figures.

    You however seem to think that it is unreasonable to base our thinking upon a detailed look at the underlying science of a situation but must follow whatever the TV tells us to.
    The two posts are different aspects, perspectives of the global warming debate. Do you only think in black and white terms? Absolutes?

    One of the biggest reasons I advocate potential skeptics to educate themselves are because of silly denier myths that are perpetuated through a lack of basic understanding of science. Here is a page that debunks over 100 of them, they are very basic and simple but you will see people making these silly arguments in the environmental forum on a weekly basis. A basic understanding would bypass this.

    Arguments from Global Warming Skeptics and what the science really says

    You then make a leap in logic Evel Knievel could not fathom and go from learning basic science to challenging the global mainstream scientific community because of a one paragraph forum post that you think debunks everything. This shows a lack of critical thinking skills on your part and an almost childlike understanding of well reasoned science and debate. Do you really think it can all be boiled down to such a simplistic position? Do you know what all else effects what Longview is talking about? You don't and neither do I, guess who does... climate scientists. Do you know what all could be missing from the equation?

    It has warmed .7C in the last 30 years, that is REALLY rapid warming that is already effecting ecosystems around the world. That is 2.33C a century. Do you know how likely it is for the rate of warming to increase? Do you know what will stop it? Do you know what other factors could be in play right now that are contributing to weaker than expected warming? I know a few answers to these, do you? This rate of warming is already enough to cause massive consequences in the near and long term, so I'm not sure what you think is so revealing here.

    The point is thousands of scientists around the world hold the position that these things are of critical importance that are in urgent need of mitigation. I would tend to trust them over anyone else. As I stated before I would question my own understanding first before I questioned them. If you really think very basic glances at the data reveals an unimportant conclusion, I would guess you're probably out of your league and don't understand the issue.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What kind of nonsense you are spewing here is just that....I no longer wish to participate in your ad hom attacks...
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    It has warmed .7C in the last 30 years, that is REALLY rapid warming that is already effecting ecosystems around the world. That is 2.33C a century. Do you know how likely it is for the rate of warming to increase? Do you know what will stop it? Do you know what other factors could be in play right now that are contributing to weaker than expected warming? I know a few answers to these, do you? This rate of warming is already enough to cause massive consequences in the near and long term, so I'm not sure what you think is so revealing here.
    I am not sure which data set shows annual warming of .7 C over the last 30 years. Please cite!
    GISS says 1983 to 2013 was .3 C.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am not sure which data set shows annual warming of .7 C over the last 30 years. Please cite!
    GISS says 1983 to 2013 was .3 C.
    How amazingly odd that you haven't seen the GISS graph, yet you've been discussing this for months.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    How amazingly odd that you haven't seen the GISS graph, yet you've been discussing this for months.

    Graphs are nice Goofs, but show the actual data.
    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ta...LB.Ts+dSST.txt
    You can use ether the J-D or the D-N annual column.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So everybody that says it's a hoax is keeping an open mind?

    If you really think so, I gave you too much credit before.
    No, I didn't say that. But, I am certainly not convinced that those who succumbed to the religion of AGW are playing with a full deck either.
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