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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Are they? The evidence comes from agencies all over the world in a multitude of subject matters. It's pretty universally accepted that the climate is changing, that carbon is a greenhouse gas, and that human kind is pumping a lot of carbon into the air. Those are three basic principles that science has agreed on. In addition, scientist have attempted to rule out other reasons for climate change including the amount of radiation from the sun or long term global climate patterns and have pretty much done so.

    If you believe in a widespread global conspiracy among scientist I'm not sure what we have to discuss. There is no amount of evidence anyone can provide you because according to you, all evidence is suspect, all scientist are biased, and anything other than your starting point of "climate change doesn't exist" can easily be explained away using non-scientific facts.
    Yes, they do.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you have proof of that, or just supposition? And does a specific politician pay for it? I'd like to see this objectively studied, if you have that information.
    Fakegate: The Obnoxious Fabrication of Global Warming - Forbes

    Glacier scientists says he knew data had not been verified | Mail Online

    Global warming data FAKED by government to fit climate change fictions - NaturalNews.com

    What the Global Warming Emails Reveal - WSJ
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over


    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That doesn't do it. It doesn't even address the question, not to mention that much of what you post is inaccurate.
    You wanted evidence. Care to explain the need to fake the data?
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You wanted evidence. Care to explain the need to fake the data?
    It's not faked. You're just buying a false narrative. But that wasn't what I asked you prove.

    Allow me to highlight:


    Originally Posted by apdst
    When politicians pay for a study, they expect the result to supporr their agenda, or *gasp* they're not going to pay for it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    If you understand the numbers then you are allowed to draw your own conclusions. That's called freedom and we are correct to do so. If you believe that you should not draw your own conclusions from information you understand but instead only rely upon what you are told to think about them you are unfit to vote or sit on a jury.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    To clarify; I find your following of the orthodox view of global warming, or at least the alarmist one, to be religious in nature. I think this because of your unwillingness o draw your own conclusions from information which you say you understand.
    This is what I was getting at in my OP, the fact that people think their casual knowledge of a subject is greater than the best collective minds of the world. If I were a climate scientist with exceptional knowledge and insight in the field I would draw my own conclusions being that I am a master of the subject. However computers are my thing, I have only a cursory knowledge of climate science, only a fool with a limited knowledge of a subject thinks their opinions are likely better than thousands of scientists from the mainstream community.

    So let me ask you, are you a lifelong climate scientist? Do you have a Phd in the relevant fields? Have you spent thousands upon thousands of hours reviewing literature, peer reviewed papers? Research? If not what makes you think your opinion or that of longview is anything special? Are you guys secret master climatologists? I seriously doubt it, you're just somebody on a forum with a self appointed rebel ego because you draw your own conclusions.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not faked. You're just buying a false narrative. But that wasn't what I asked you prove.

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    When politicians pay for a study, they expect the result to supporr their agenda, or *gasp* they're not going to pay for it.
    The information has indeed been faked. I just proved it.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am telling you it is the opposite, the curve is much more weighted at the lower numbers.
    Let's go over it one more time,
    70 ppm to 140 ppm 1.2 C (Delta 70 ppm = 1.2 C)
    140 ppm to 280 ppm 1.2 C (Delta 140 ppm= 1.2 C)
    280ppm to 560 ppm 1.2 C (Delta 280 ppm= 1.2 C)
    560 ppm to 1120 ppm 1.2 C (Delta 560 ppm = 1.2 C)
    Within the steps the curve is the same, much more response occurs between
    0% and 50%, as occurs between 50% and 100%.
    Don't believe me. plot it for your self.
    Yes I know that Co2's effect is halved upon each doubling in concentration.

    You are missing the point I'm making though that the emission of Co2 has not been linear, it is an exponential curve. From 1880 to 1980 only ~40ppm of Co2 was emitted, that's over 100 years. The vast majority of the Co2 (~110ppm) has been emitted in the last 30 years.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The information has indeed been faked. I just proved it.
    No, you didn't. But your still avoiding the question I asked you.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you didn't. But your still avoiding the question I asked you.
    You asked if I have proof.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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