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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Wonder how many lost civilizations would be around if they had listened to those saying "I think we may have a problem here."

    They listened to their Koch brothers, though, and we can see where that got them.
    I wonder how many lost civilizations ruined their way of life and much of what they created in some arrogant attempt to change the path of nature sometime in the distant future.

    They listened to Al Gore, though, and we can see that Al Gore lived the high life while others paid half their salary on the hydro bill.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There's that nasty superiority thing working against you again.

    Funny, I was under the impression that the issue of the OP was a poll that showed that only 20% of the American public believed the debate on the validity of man-made global warming was over. Perhaps you were confused into thinking the OP was a direct challenge to the science or - pseudo science or perhaps I'm confused because I thought the OP was a direct challenge to the claims that the debate is over. There is a subtle difference.
    In a world where I can purchase an emotional attitude towards a subject in a predictable and repeatable percentage of a target demographic, opinion polls are less than worthless except as feedback loops to the persuasion process.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    In a world where I can purchase an emotional attitude towards a subject in a predictable and repeatable percentage of a target demographic, opinion polls are less than worthless except as feedback loops to the persuasion process.
    So why aren't you able to manufacture a poll that shows 80% of the American public believe in man-made global warming, if it's such a piece of cake? God knows, the emotional blackmail on the part of the greenies is rampant so why no luck in turning opinion your way? If only polar bears could vote.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, even if the numbers were reversed on this poll, and people actually believed this crap, the problem you have is that certain entities have made this more about politics, than actual science, and have tied a redistribution scheme into it that does little to mitigate anything other than wealth in the world.

    If it were only about science, then it may be a better argument, but right now? Not.
    Haha think about it
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I'm getting my ice cap data from the government agency who reports it every single month. I don't take it from pro-AGW message board sites.

    As for Al Gore, he had revised his predictions a bit by 2009:

    New computer modeling suggests the Arctic Ocean may be nearly ice-free in summer as early as 2014, Al Gore said today at the U.N. climate conference in Copenhagen

    The former vice president said the new projections suggest an almost-vanished summer ice cap could disappear much earlier than foreseen by a U.S. government agency just eight months.

    "It is hard to capture the astonishment that the experts in the science of ice felt when they saw this," Gore told reporters and other conference participants at a joint briefing with Scandinavian officials and scientists, his first appearance at the two-week session.

    Update at 3:58 p.m. ET: "Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap during some of the summer months will be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years," Gore said.

    Afterward his office clarified his statement, saying he meant nearly ice-free, because ice would be expected to survive in island channels and other locations. . . .
    Gore: Polar ice cap may disappear by summer 2014

    Which makes one wonder how many times those computer models will have to be wrong before at least some of the AGW religionists will also become skeptics?
    Right. 'Could'. And it was referring to 'some' scientists. And it was a politician, not a scientist. Maybe you get confused with those categories?


    And the data I showed was from PIOMAS.

    I guess you could consider it a 'pro-AGW site', since 97% of the people who collect, maintain and publish climate data subscribe to that basic scientific concept.

    I wonder why you didn't name the mysterious neutral site you get your information from....
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I wonder how many lost civilizations ruined their way of life and much of what they created in some arrogant attempt to change the path of nature sometime in the distant future.

    They listened to Al Gore, though, and we can see that Al Gore lived the high life while others paid half their salary on the hydro bill.
    One of the Mesoamerican groups poisoned themselves because someone convinced them that sacrifices would make the crops grow and they threw the sacrifices in the wells their water came from.

    No archaeological evidence for what you describe that I am aware of. Much that points towards environmental damage leading to collapse.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    " Green energy " or renewable energy technology is a huge joke right now.
    So was the automobile at one point.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Right. 'Could'. And it was referring to 'some' scientists. And it was a politician, not a scientist. Maybe you get confused with those categories?


    And the data I showed was from PIOMAS.

    I guess you could consider it a 'pro-AGW site', since 97% of the people who collect, maintain and publish climate data subscribe to that basic scientific concept.

    I wonder why you didn't name the mysterious neutral site you get your information from....
    I was referring to the NSIDC funded by NOAA and NASA. Still hung up on that 97% I see. I have to wonder why people don't feel silly repeating that phony number again and again after the overwhelming evidence that it has been thoroughly disputed. But CanadaJohn is correct that the OP is about the debate itself and whether it is over, so I will continue to try to focus on that. The number of scientists promoting AGW, whether accurate or manufactured, is irrelevent to the OP. The fact that there are still a LOT of questions out there re what the AGW group is actively trying to sell is relevent.
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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From highly insulting people that think that those that disagree with them are somehow just north of mentally handicapped, to the mockery of the disciple of Gorentology that comes at you with the viciousness of a typical cult member when their religion is under question, it is clear that the majority of voters in this country don't buy the lie that the case is settled, that the argument is over...

    Back to fringe obscurity GW lunatics.
    Once again behaving as if opinion is equal to fact.

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    Re: Only 20% Think Debate About Global Warming Is Over

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So why aren't you able to manufacture a poll that shows 80% of the American public believe in man-made global warming, if it's such a piece of cake? God knows, the emotional blackmail on the part of the greenies is rampant so why no luck in turning opinion your way? If only polar bears could vote.
    I would hope scientists refrain from simple manipulation of public opinion. I suspect letting the PR boys contribute led to much of the "evidence" that AGW is a hoax.

    Those whose fortunes ride on AGW NOT being real certainly do indulge in persuasive messaging.
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