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China thinks it can defeat America in battle

The Pentagon disagrees with the "rah rah America can kick any bodies ass" crowd.

China's military power an increasing threat to US, Pentagon official admits.

China's military power an increasing threat to US, Pentagon official admits | South China Morning Post

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America's dominance in the battlefield slowly being eroded by competitors largely due to budget cuts, official says

So, increase our budget, dammit, or those godless Chinese Communists are going to take over the world! More money, more money, give us more money!
 
Actually, he may be on to something:

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Here is another example:

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Look at the buildings that survived... all seem to have the basic cubic structure. However, if Demon of Light has ever been to any West Coast city, I'm sure he'll know that the number of houses/buildings built of light materials (wood, steel, glass) outweighs the number of houses built out of concrete. I would venture to guess that most of the houses built out of concrete in LA lay in the outskirts of the city. IMO half the houses within 10 mins of DT LA would be destroyed. Besides, if you take a look at the buildings, they look pretty burnt in the inside, so yeah, Seattle and LA wouldn't survive.

In Hiroshima and Nagasaki they did not even have steel structures. The buildings were either the concrete ones you see in the aftermath photos or extremely fragile wood constructions. A big part of the reason for the extent of devastation was the conflagration resulting from the blast in conjunction with the shockwave. You will note that even the bridges were left standing at Hiroshima. It ultimately depends on the yield, but the vast majority of nuclear weapons are below half a megaton in yield. To cause the kind of destruction one sees at Hiroshima would require the use of multiple weapons of this yield being targeted at a single city center.
 
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So, increase our budget, dammit, or those godless Chinese Communists are going to take over the world! More money, more money, give us more money!

Actually, if you read the WHOLE article, you'll see that over the last decade, China's military expenditures graph is no longer on a slow steady incline but shot straight up, and the Pentagon believes their "official" figures are at least 40% lower than reality. At that pace, no way of predicting how long it continues, another decade and war with China will be a very huge crisis for America. There would be no more fighting with one hand behind our back as we have been, picking on the weakest kid in the class for the last four decades.
 
In 2010 the United States adopted the Air-Sea Battle Doctrine to assure victory in any war against either the People's Republic of China or Iran.

Air-Sea Battle integrates the forces of the US Navy and Air Force to standoff distant from the coast of the PRChina to bombard it by air and sea to penetrate deep into the mainland to destroy the CCP's ability to wage war. The Air-Sea Battle Doctrine utilizes naval and air weapons platforms of primarily missiles, stealth aircraft, aircraft carrier strike groups, nuclear armed boomer submarines and independent strike submarines, supported by cyberwarfare and satellites in space.

The new Air-Sea Battle Doctrine was created and developed as the specific response to the CCP's successful Anti-Access, Area Denial weapons platforms technologies, (A2/AD) recently developed or acquired, which have as their core purpose the destruction of a naval force located in the Western Pacific Ocean. Uncontestable U.S. naval vulnerabilities to the CCP's A2/AD new weapons technologies already had made vulnerable United States naval forces at the First Strategic Island Chain, which arcs southward from the Japanese home islands through the Ryukyu Islands, Taiwan, the Philippine archipelago across to Vietnam. Hence the need of the Pentagon to incorporate a standoff position of battle.

The Second Strategic Island Chain, a series of island groups that runs north to south from the Japanese archipelago to the Bonin and Marshall islands and Guam, remains out of reach but is coveted by the CCP to be someday soon, perhaps by 2020, within range of its A2/AD missile technologies. The third of the Pentagon's three strategic island chains of the Western Pacific, from Alaska to Hawaii to Australia and New Zealand remains far out of Beijing's reach or its realistic reach. Concerning the continental United States, even Beijing's best intercontinental ballistic missiles would not reach the Mississippi River.

Key allies of the U.S. in northeast Asia, including Japan and South Korea, also play central roles against China. Not only does each have a strong military force of their own, but Seoul and Tokyo also provide air, naval, logistic and supply bases to the US.

The Second Strategic Island Chain includes Guam, the U.S.'s main air and naval base in the Western Pacific, which remains beyond the A2/AD weapons platforms of even the PLA's newest technologies. Moreover, with Japan in undisputed control of the Miyako Strait in the Ryukyu Islands, the PLA Navy is denied a direct access route to the Western Pacific.

The Pentagon's Air-Sea Battle Doctrine is its war plan to win any war with the PRChina and/or Iran.

Air-Sea Battle 2.0: A Global A2/AD Response | The Diplomat

What would a U.S.-China war look like? - The Week

Wargaming A U.S.-China War
 
The bad news first. The Peoples Republic of China now believes that it can successfully prevent the United States from intervening in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan or some other military assault by Beijing.

Now the good news. China is wrong.--And for one major reason.It apparently disregards the decisive power of Americas nuclear-powered submarines.

Read more here: China thinks it can defeat America in battle - The Week




The USA will remain the only real world power for the foreseeable future.
And one of the main reasons for that is its submarine fleet.

If Obama keeps cutting the defense department they might be able to.
 
If Obama keeps cutting the defense department they might be able to.

China for its part has no interest in engaging the US militarily, should the US tend to its own affairs and troubles. But given our interfering history, there may be a wake up call. Bitch about the ND going up under Obama's watch, bitch when he tightens budgets, bitch, bitch, bitch.
 
Just look at the precipitous decline in military spending in recent years! OMG! how terrible!

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Just look at the precipitous decline in military spending in recent years! OMG! how terrible!

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Dear God soon we'll only spend as much as the next seven countries combined!
 
Dear God soon we'll only spend as much as the next seven countries combined!

Oh, the horror! We'll just have to start spending on something else, anything, to keep that deficit up!
 
Oh, the horror! We'll just have to start spending on something else, anything, to keep that deficit up!


I noticed the defense spending didn't go down a bit when Obama and Co. took over. So I guess both parties are "crazy" and you are the last rational person in the country, is that it?
please, let's all learn from your wisdom.
 
The bad news first. The Peoples Republic of China now believes that it can successfully prevent the United States from intervening in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan or some other military assault by Beijing.

Now the good news. China is wrong.--And for one major reason.It apparently disregards the decisive power of Americas nuclear-powered submarines.

Read more here: China thinks it can defeat America in battle - The Week

The USA will remain the only real world power for the foreseeable future.
And one of the main reasons for that is its submarine fleet.

China obviously thinks this way because of the doofus the United States elected as commander-in-chief. I can't say I blame them for their thoughts.
 
I noticed the defense spending didn't go down a bit when Obama and Co. took over. So I guess both parties are "crazy" and you are the last rational person in the country, is that it?
please, let's all learn from your wisdom.

Gather round, my children, and bask in the light of my wisdom.
Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are really in favor of fiscal conservatism. The great sage (me, of course) hath spoken the truth, and the truth is that Republicans only make mouth noises about over spending, while Democrats don't even do that.

Now, who amongst my flock doeth not see that making mouth noises only produces vibrations that falleth on eardrums, but do nothing to keep the mighty dollars from fleeing in panic from the coffers of our Uncle Sam?

Now go, oh followers of mighty wisdom, and remember that you cannot take at face value things said by the politicians, as they speak with forked tongues much of the time.
 
China obviously thinks this way because of the doofus the United States elected as commander-in-chief. I can't say I blame them for their thoughts.

:roll:
 
Gather round, my children, and bask in the light of my wisdom.
Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are really in favor of fiscal conservatism. The great sage (me, of course) hath spoken the truth, and the truth is that Republicans only make mouth noises about over spending, while Democrats don't even do that.

Now, who amongst my flock doeth not see that making mouth noises only produces vibrations that falleth on eardrums, but do nothing to keep the mighty dollars from fleeing in panic from the coffers of our Uncle Sam?

Now go, oh followers of mighty wisdom, and remember that you cannot take at face value things said by the politicians, as they speak with forked tongues much of the time.

so by your theory 50%(R) of the government is run by liars and the other 50%(D) is run...by liars.
So every person collectively elected by the citizens are all liars, but YOU are the one truth teller?
hmmmm, let me think about that a while. Then I'll tell you who I think the crazy person is.
 
so by your theory 50%(R) of the government is run by liars and the other 50%(D) is run...by liars.
So every person collectively elected by the citizens are all liars, but YOU are the one truth teller?
hmmmm, let me think about that a while. Then I'll tell you who I think the crazy person is.
anyone who actually believes that t he Republican Party is the party of fiscal conservatism, that's who.
 
How will a submarine, nuclear or otherwise, prevent an invasion over a 100-mile strait?

Deterrence. That is the purpose of those submarines.
 
The USA has 5, 113 nuclear weapons and it could utterly destroy China and any other country on this planet.

Tell the Chinese to bring it on, we've got something for them.

You got a death wish for the whole planet, Bro?
 
No, the real battle is economic, and China definitely has the upper hand currently.

The real battle is human, civil, labor and environmental rights, and China hasn't even started the race. Its economy is a paper tiger, ripe to be overthrown by the child slave labor and toxic dumping it relies upon.
 
The real battle is human, civil, labor and environmental rights, and China hasn't even started the race. Its economy is a paper tiger, ripe to be overthrown by the child slave labor and toxic dumping it relies upon.

We are way ahead of China in those areas to be sure, but its economy is growing a lot faster than ours, and will soon surpass us. Money is power, after all, power to dominate which is more important in the world of the 21st. century than military power.
 
We are way ahead of China in those areas to be sure, but its economy is growing a lot faster than ours, and will soon surpass us. Money is power, after all, power to dominate which is more important in the world of the 21st. century than military power.

The age of domination is over. Democracy will sweep the planet. When it does, China will be shown for the paper tiger it is. Spare us the BS about the Chinese soldier. They are inexperienced slave labor conscripts that would be happy to run at first opportunity. Chinese people defect to African countries, and you think any of those abused slaves will stand for their oppressors.

China is BS. Deal with it.
 
China obviously thinks this way because of the doofus the United States elected as commander-in-chief.
I can't say I blame them for their thoughts.




The Chinese can dream all they want, but they won't be going to war with the USA anytime soon.

Wait and see.
 
Deterrence. That is the purpose of those submarines.

So China invades "their" island 100 miles offshore in a massive airlift. They smash any major resistance in the first week. What deterrence do the subs offer?
 
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