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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm refuting the idea that numbers alone make the difference. Read back and catch up.
    numbers don't mean ****... unless you are fighting hand to hand

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

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    numbers don't mean ****... unless you are fighting hand to hand
    Even then, numbers replace tactics.
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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I wonder if they really believe that, or if it's just bs propaganda to keep their people in line.
    I think they believe it...because they lack the access to know better.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    How will a submarine, nuclear or otherwise, prevent an invasion over a 100-mile strait?
    They are at the pinnacle of difficult to find and stop. Bordering on impossible. They can function as an attack sub as well as a missile sub. Meaning any navy crossing that strait might find itself at their mercy.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I didn't say that. My point was just that the MAD argument is a byproduct of Cold War hysteria, and most likely overstated.

    That said, there is no doubt that nuclear weapons are the most powerful and destructive weapons man has ever built. I wouldn't support using them unless we had a really, really good reason.

    The argument, though, that because China have nukes and the US have nukes and therefore any war between the two countries would result in mutually assured destruction is bullcrap.
    Depends on what you call destruction, I guess. A nuclear war is winnable, in a last-man-standing kind of way, but it'd be tough to sell the idea to people who live in a target city. Those pictures you posted took a generation of recovery. No doubt you've also seen pictures of Hiroshima days after the bomb- that's how LA and Seattle and Honolulu would look.
    It'd take grim determination on the part of a Commander-in-Chief to accept that degree of destruction in America for the sake of honouring a treaty with Taiwan.
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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    numbers don't mean ****... unless you are fighting hand to hand
    I misfired on that one. I meant to say, even then, number do not replace tactics.
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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I misfired on that one. I meant to say, even then, number do not replace tactics.
    s'ok.. i knew what you were trying to say.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Chinese weren't able to defeat us in Korea.
    Both sides wisely accepted a stand-off rather than nuclear war.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Both sides wisely accepted a stand-off rather than nuclear war.
    Actually, there was an armistace agreement.
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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    I think China is correct given that very specific scenario. Taiwan is just too close to such a large nation for America to project total control over a prolonged period. Although America maintains technical superiority to some degree, just the sheer proximity means low-tech assaults on US naval forces would be effective. (and one wonders how much of our technological advantage still exists these days. China probably has stolen or bought half the designs in our inventory) A large enough barrage of land-based missiles can overwhelm any naval defense of the island, and even of the carrier groups themselves. Leave American ships out of reach of land-based missiles and you've just given up an enormous gap in reaction times. China also just has a far larger base of resources to work with. Having quadruple the population has advantages. In any case, the costs to China would be severe. They'd lose a lot of troop transports and aircraft to carrier-based US fighters and our subs.

    The scenario makes some assumptions, though: that nuclear weapons are off the table and America is attempting to minimize collateral damage in Taiwan. If nukes come out, the entire discussion of navies and invasions is purely academic, and if America is willing to flatten a country there's nobody that can stop us.
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