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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    I asked the question if the Chinese have the military capability to even launch an amphibious attack on Taiwan but the military chicken hawks here keep talking in terns of nukes and MAD. Regardless of who's the best, a guy type of question, without having boots on the ground, all of this is just silly military jargon. If China does not have the amphibious capabilities to land troops, the argument is useless.

    The idea is to take the entire countries infrastructure (Taiwan) whole, with as little damage as possible. A scorched earth with a dead or irradiated population is not a military victory, Taiwan has a very valuable infrastructure,
    Mainland China have reasons to want to take Taiwan above and beyond the economic value it brings. I won't go in to a history lesson right now, but, in a nutshell, the current government of Taiwan used to be the government of all China. When the communist uprising happened, the Chinese leadership fled the mainland and settled in Taiwan (used to be the same country).

    The communists, who are now the legitimately recognized government of mainland China, never "finished the job" so to speak and took out the old government in Taiwan. Taiwan became its own country, with the USA backing it (because it's not communist).

    So, the Chinese would love to take Taiwan for the same reason the communists in Russia killed the whole royal family when they took over there..... so that nobody can challenge the legitimacy of their rule.

    Also, to answer your question, China are able to land troops on Taiwan.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What an incredible argument!!!!
    You should respond to it then, intelligently.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok. Personally I wouldn't be so dismissive of China's growing (I meant GROWING) capability. Every time this subject comes up I'm amazed by the cockiness and arrogance that follows. China is no ME country pushover, and the people who know the best, not any posters here but the Pentagon, has made its concerns clear to congress!

    The development of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is of the utmost importance for not only U.S. strategic thinkers but as we as U.S. allies—specifically Australian strategic policy planning. There’s a growing realization in Asia and the United States that the PLA is gradually coming closer to developing a comprehensive “counter intervention” capability, better known in Western strategic debate as “anti-access/ area denial” (A2/AD). Beijing’s aim is to raise the costs of US military intervention in a conflict with one of its neighbors in East or Southeast Asia to a prohibitively high level—with potentially enormous ramifications for a regional security order long based on uncontested US military power in the Western Pacific. The newly released US Defense Department report on China’s Military is further testimony to China’s becoming a major military power in Asia.


    China's Military Might Grows: Cause for Concern? | The National Interest Blog

    We just deployed a ship mounted Laser.

    We have just deployed a weapon with a speed of light muzzle velocity.

    Eventually, we'll be able to instantly knock out enemy Satellites and force them into the dark ages as far as communications go in a instant.

    THAT'S American superiority and exceptionalism.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok. Personally I wouldn't be so dismissive of China's growing (I meant GROWING) capability. Every time this subject comes up I'm amazed by the cockiness and arrogance that follows. China is no ME country pushover, and the people who know the best, not any posters here but the Pentagon, has made its concerns clear to congress!

    The development of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is of the utmost importance for not only U.S. strategic thinkers but as we as U.S. allies—specifically Australian strategic policy planning. There’s a growing realization in Asia and the United States that the PLA is gradually coming closer to developing a comprehensive “counter intervention” capability, better known in Western strategic debate as “anti-access/ area denial” (A2/AD). Beijing’s aim is to raise the costs of US military intervention in a conflict with one of its neighbors in East or Southeast Asia to a prohibitively high level—with potentially enormous ramifications for a regional security order long based on uncontested US military power in the Western Pacific. The newly released US Defense Department report on China’s Military is further testimony to China’s becoming a major military power in Asia.


    China's Military Might Grows: Cause for Concern? | The National Interest Blog

    If given a choice between going to war against China or going to war in the Middle East.... I would choose China in a heartbeat.

    China is a centrally controlled, organized entity with a functioning government and a compliant (mostly) population. When you fight a war with China, you're fighting a government.

    There isn't a government in the world that can stand up to the United States. That's not cockiness, that's a realization of where the world is right now. We are the lone superpower for a reason.

    The Middle East, on the other hand, is driven more by religion than by government. Guerrilla fighting is the norm, and the enemy is highly motivated (70 virgins in heaven, God on their side, etc).

    I'm much more comfortable picking the USA in a conventional war, much less comfortable picking the US in an ideological/religious struggle.

    I don't think our efforts in Iraq/Afghanistan, for example, will bear fruit in the long run.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, I don't think we could " blow up earth ".

    You need to educate yourself objectively instead of perpetuating this left wing military industrial complex nonsense.

    Bevause everyone I've ever had the misfortune of meeting thats ever used those buzz words, was woefully inept when it came down to our Military technological capabilities.
    The threat of a growing complex of defense contractors and the MIC phrase has originated from Ike, hardly a left winger, and hardly buzz words. And blowing up the earth was an exaggeration to point. Sad that your dependence on US tech has you thinking that stopping China's military, would be associated with knocking of Gaddafi, or maybe Saddam Hussein.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    We just deployed a ship mounted Laser.

    We have just deployed a weapon with a speed of light muzzle velocity.

    Eventually, we'll be able to instantly knock out enemy Satellites and force them into the dark ages as far as communications go in a instant.

    THAT'S American superiority and exceptionalism.
    That's cool, my caveat to that, though, is unless something is tested, you never really know how well it's going to work.

    Guess that's the engineer in me.

    A war with China would be decided via conventional weapons, with some new stuff sprinkled in. That's what history has taught us.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If given a choice between going to war against China or going to war in the Middle East.... I would choose China in a heartbeat.

    China is a centrally controlled, organized entity with a functioning government and a compliant (mostly) population. When you fight a war with China, you're fighting a government.

    There isn't a government in the world that can stand up to the United States. That's not cockiness, that's a realization of where the world is right now. We are the lone superpower for a reason.

    The Middle East, on the other hand, is driven more by religion than by government. Guerrilla fighting is the norm, and the enemy is highly motivated (70 virgins in heaven, God on their side, etc).

    I'm much more comfortable picking the USA in a conventional war, much less comfortable picking the US in an ideological/religious struggle.

    I don't think our efforts in Iraq/Afghanistan, for example, will bear fruit in the long run.
    I fancy not going to war at all, and electing leaders that think the same way, rather than guys that might be interested in asking the Pentagon for a report on whether or not we could kick China's ass.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    China thinks it can defeat America in battle
    Dear fellow homo sapiens,

    Please cut out this dumb bull****. There is a lot of beauty out there, as well as fun stuff to do. Also, the bonobos are laughing at us as they are sharing food and getting laid.

    Thanks, and warm regards,

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You should respond to it then, intelligently.
    In that case, I'll wait for an intelligent post from you concerning China's real (not imagined) military capabilities.
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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    That's cool, my caveat to that, though, is unless something is tested, you never really know how well it's going to work.

    Guess that's the engineer in me.

    A war with China would be decided via conventional weapons, with some new stuff sprinkled in. That's what history has taught us.
    I know they've tested it against drones.

    I doubt they would have deployed it without considerable R and D and testing.

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