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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hard to say.

    A Fusion weapon hasn't been set off in a large City yet, but I think it would look allot like when we Firebombed Hamburg Germany

    Except all at once with fallout.

    When you ger down to it, Nuclear weapons are just large Bombs with fallout.

    Correct. Just would re-emphasize that the "fallout" from a nuclear attack wouldn't be nearly as bad as the hype-machine makes it out to be. The explosions would be massive though. We've seen this during tests.

    The other thing... ICBM's have never really been tested. Who's to say how well they even work? My suspicion is that while the American ICBM's most likely function as they should, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Chinese ICBM's had a higher rate of malfunction and you ended up with stray missiles that missed their targets completely.

    "Made in China" doesn't inspire the greatest confidence in me, but that's just an opinion. If they can't build a car or an airplane, what makes you believe they can build a perfectly functioning set of ICBM's?

    Further.... a little known/ considered fact about nuclear weapons is REACTION EFFICIENCY. Only about 2 pounds of the Uranium/Plutonium in the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs actually exploded. The rest fell dormant.

    While I believe the US have the technology and experience to improve reaction efficiency, I don't see anything from the Chinese side to lead me to believe the same.


    In summary, just because they "have the bomb" doesn't mean they're playing with the same deck that we are. I suspect we outgun the Chinese by quite a large margin.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Preventing war can be a good thing!
    Agreed.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Preventing war can be a good thing!
    Thats what Nuclear weapons and new technology have been doing for the last 50 years

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yes, but not even close technologically.

    I cant get much out of my oldest in terms of specifics, ( he's been in 8 years ), other than there is tech on our boats we wont know about for another 20 years.

    And I'm not talking about the Rail Gun or Laser. He rolls his eyes when I bring them up.

    And they don't seem to be too concerned with Russian or Chinese tech either.
    Famous last words. Jesus Christ, with the size of our Military Industrial Complex and our Pentagon offensive budget, we could blow the earth up huh?
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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    True enough, but unless we have mad leadership (I know), why would we want to engage China in a drawn out war on multiple fronts, with the hefty cost in blood and treasure, over an island 100 miles off their coast?
    Bingo. That's exactly the right question to be asking. That's the question the Chinese leadership are asking themselves, and that's the question the American leadership are asking themselves.

    China won't risk war with the USA over Taiwan, so as long as they believe we are willing to go to war over the island, they won't attack it. If we back off of Taiwan, they will take it.

    That's why you see this dance take place every few years. They're testing us, testing our resolve.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We know what happens when you drop a nuclear bomb.... we're the only nation in history to have ever done it. Hiroshima and Nagasaki. How do those cities look today? Are they smoldering heaps of ash and destruction? Judge for yourself.









    Point is, rather than buying the hysteria and the hype, use your own eyes and ears.
    What an incredible argument!!!!
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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Why does china want to invade Taiwan?
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    I asked the question if the Chinese have the military capability to even launch an amphibious attack on Taiwan but the military chicken hawks here keep talking in terns of nukes and MAD. Regardless of who's the best, a guy type of question, without having boots on the ground, all of this is just silly military jargon. If China does not have the amphibious capabilities to land troops, the argument is useless.

    The idea is to take the entire countries infrastructure (Taiwan) whole, with as little damage as possible. A scorched earth with a dead or irradiated population is not a military victory, Taiwan has a very valuable infrastructure,

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Correct. Just would re-emphasize that the "fallout" from a nuclear attack wouldn't be nearly as bad as the hype-machine makes it out to be. The explosions would be massive though. We've seen this during tests.

    The other thing... ICBM's have never really been tested. Who's to say how well they even work? My suspicion is that while the American ICBM's most likely function as they should, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Chinese ICBM's had a higher rate of malfunction and you ended up with stray missiles that missed their targets completely.

    "Made in China" doesn't inspire the greatest confidence in me, but that's just an opinion. If they can't build a car or an airplane, what makes you believe they can build a perfectly functioning set of ICBM's?

    Further.... a little known/ considered fact about nuclear weapons is REACTION EFFICIENCY. Only about 2 pounds of the Uranium/Plutonium in the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs actually exploded. The rest fell dormant.

    While I believe the US have the technology and experience to improve reaction efficiency, I don't see anything from the Chinese side to lead me to believe the same.


    In summary, just because they "have the bomb" doesn't mean they're playing with the same deck that we are. I suspect we outgun the Chinese by quite a large margin.

    Agreed

    Its a ideological reason Russia and China lagg behind in technology, and will always lag behind.

    The Chinese have to steal tech, and I've talked to a couple of people who would know, that they steal the tech we basically want them to steal.

    American superiority was never mandated on the basis of what was best for " the motherland" or on the basis of what was best for the central committee of the workers party

    It was born out of the free exchange of ideas and will continue to excel based on that reason.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Famous last words. Jesus Christ, with the size of our Military Industrial Complex and our Pentagon offensive budget, we could blow the earth up huh?

    No, I don't think we could " blow up earth ".

    You need to educate yourself objectively instead of perpetuating this left wing military industrial complex nonsense.

    Bevause everyone I've ever had the misfortune of meeting thats ever used those buzz words, was woefully inept when it came down to our Military technological capabilities.

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    Re: China thinks it can defeat America in battle

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Bingo. That's exactly the right question to be asking. That's the question the Chinese leadership are asking themselves, and that's the question the American leadership are asking themselves.

    China won't risk war with the USA over Taiwan, so as long as they believe we are willing to go to war over the island, they won't attack it. If we back off of Taiwan, they will take it.

    That's why you see this dance take place every few years. They're testing us, testing our resolve.
    Ok. Personally I wouldn't be so dismissive of China's growing (I meant GROWING) capability. Every time this subject comes up I'm amazed by the cockiness and arrogance that follows. China is no ME country pushover, and the people who know the best, not any posters here but the Pentagon, has made its concerns clear to congress!

    The development of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is of the utmost importance for not only U.S. strategic thinkers but as we as U.S. allies—specifically Australian strategic policy planning. There’s a growing realization in Asia and the United States that the PLA is gradually coming closer to developing a comprehensive “counter intervention” capability, better known in Western strategic debate as “anti-access/ area denial” (A2/AD). Beijing’s aim is to raise the costs of US military intervention in a conflict with one of its neighbors in East or Southeast Asia to a prohibitively high level—with potentially enormous ramifications for a regional security order long based on uncontested US military power in the Western Pacific. The newly released US Defense Department report on China’s Military is further testimony to China’s becoming a major military power in Asia.


    China's Military Might Grows: Cause for Concern? | The National Interest Blog
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