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    Re: Germany arrests Suspected Double Agent spying for U.S.: Lawmakers

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin HD. Someone will be taking the heat. It was involving Snowden too. So the Germans just didn't let that go. Like I mentioned....Putin came out a few hours ahead of this and said he wanted to work with the US. Making nicey nice. But then I am willing to bet he knew this was coming down.
    Mornin' MMC.

    My bet is that because the Germans were now aware, from Snowden's revelations, that the digital domain was utterly compromised by the NSA, perhaps these particular meetings were done the old-fashioned way, paper and pen with little or no digital records kept.

    And somehow they discovered their secret proceedings had been compromised? I wonder how they caught this guy?

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    Re: Germany arrests Suspected Double Agent spying for U.S.: Lawmakers

    All spies for America work in America spying on Americans, everyone knows that!!!!

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    Re: Germany arrests Suspected Double Agent spying for U.S.: Lawmakers

    Everyone spies on everyone - but this is surely a black eye for our intelligence agency's. Whomever is doing the recruiting should be replaced with someone with better skills. We already had a kerfluffle with Germany last year when the Snowden stuff broke and it was found out we were bugging Germany and they didn't like it, now this guy gets caught and we again look inept and relations take yet another hit. Perhaps it would be wise to pull back a little on spying on our friends for a little while?
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    Re: Germany arrests Suspected Double Agent spying for U.S.: Lawmakers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Mornin' MMC.

    My bet is that because the Germans were now aware, from Snowden's revelations, that the digital domain was utterly compromised by the NSA, perhaps these particular meetings were done the old-fashioned way, paper and pen with little or no digital records kept.

    And somehow they discovered their secret proceedings had been compromised? I wonder how they caught this guy?


    This is going to get worse as they just had two NSA people testify or report to the German Leftist Panel. It appears BO has known since Thursday.



    In this picture taken Thursday evening July 3, 2014, former NSA employee Thomas Drake, right, and his lawyer Jesselyn Radack arrive at the parliamentary NSA investigation committee in Berlin, Germany, German lawmakers began hearing expert testimony for a probe into the activities of foreign intelligence agencies in Germany. The inquiry was sparked by reports based on documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, which showed that German citizens, including Chancellor Angela Merkel, were targeted by U.S. intelligence


    Martina Renner, a member of the opposition Left Party on the parliamentary panel, said the case indicated that anyone who examined Snowden's revelations in detail was subject to scrutiny by U.S. intelligence agencies. Her panel heard testimony on Thursday from two former NSA employees, Thomas Drake and William Binney.

    "If the media reports (about the case) are confirmed then there can't just be a legal response, there also has to be a political response," she said

    Seibert said Merkel discussed "foreign policy matters" in a telephone conversation with President Barack Obama late Thursday. He said the conversation focused on Ukraine but wouldn't say whether the arrest was discussed.

    The U.S. National Security Council declined to comment. The BND didn't immediately return a call seeking comment.....snip~

    Report: German intel worker allegedly spied for US

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    Re: Germany arrests Suspected Double Agent spying for U.S.: Lawmakers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Everyone spies on everyone - but this is surely a black eye for our intelligence agency's. Whomever is doing the recruiting should be replaced with someone with better skills. We already had a kerfluffle with Germany last year when the Snowden stuff broke and it was found out we were bugging Germany and they didn't like it, now this guy gets caught and we again look inept and relations take yet another hit. Perhaps it would be wise to pull back a little on spying on our friends for a little while?
    Like you said, everyone spies on everyone. After the revelations the Germans probably turned up the heat to find an American spy and embarrass us further.

    Lets be careful about firing folks who do the kind of jobs we wouldn't, for pay probably less than their talents because something goes wrong.

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    Re: Germany arrests Suspected Double Agent spying for U.S.: Lawmakers

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Like you said, everyone spies on everyone. After the revelations the Germans probably turned up the heat to find an American spy and embarrass us further.

    Lets be careful about firing folks who do the kind of jobs we wouldn't, for pay probably less than their talents because something goes wrong.


    Mornin WN. This guy was trying to break to the Russians to and our NSA peeps testifying Thursday before this panel. Now we are caught spying on this panel. Unreal.



    Anger over reports German double-agent spied for US.....


    But several German media outlets said the suspect was working for a US intelligence agency, and had at least once reported on the parliamentary panel examining claims by fugitive US intelligence official Edward Snowden.

    According to public broadcaster NDR, the man was initially arrested on suspicion of seeking contact with Russian secret services and, in questioning, apparently admitted having handed information to a US agency. Investigators did not rule out that the suspect had given false information, said NDR, which worked closely with two other media organisations on the initial report.

    At clandestine meetings in Austria he sold secret documents to US agents for 25,000 euros ($34,000), it claimed, adding that in searches of his and his partners' homes investigators found at least three documents related to the parliamentary panel, among other things.

    "Should this suspicion be confirmed, it would be outrageous" and require "tough diplomatic consequences", opposition Green party lawmaker Konstantin von Notz told business daily Handelsblatt. News weekly Spiegel Online quoted senior Social Democrat lawmaker Thomas Oppermann as saying that, should the suspicions be confirmed, "that is an unheard attack on our parliamentary freedom".....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/german-agent-s...131812591.html

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    Re: Germany arrests Suspected Double Agent spying for U.S.: Lawmakers

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin HD. Someone will be king the heat. It was involving Snowden too. So the Germans just didn't let that go. Like I mentioned....Putin came out a few hours ahead of this and said he wanted to work with the US. Making nicey nice. But then I am willing to bet he knew this was coming down.
    I have been following that. One thing I find interesting about it is that the German government is allowing it to escalate. They are under some strain, since it is becoming more and more obvious that the Snowden revelations are more embarrassing for the Germans' politicians and bureaucracy than for the US. After all two witnesses have just underlined that practically everything nsa did was known to the Germans authorities who helped and made much of it possible. That the spying had seemingly been allowed in writing by the chancellor's office and that the German secret service and government had themselves illegally used the information and broken the constitution.

    But making the US out to be in some way enemy is rather risky as deception maneuvers go. It is a little troubling, especially as there are rather pressing voices being raised, that demand Germany move away from the USA and closer to Russia. This movement is not new and Schröder's gas deal was almost certainly a planed part of this thrust, but it has gained urgency of late and may be more than just coincidental to the growing call for Germany to take greater responsibility for international security. Many of the same persons and groups fighting against greater responsibility with its higher costs are using this populisticly combined with the demand to align more closely with Russia.

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    Re: Germany arrests Suspected Double Agent spying for U.S.: Lawmakers

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I have been following that. One thing I find interesting about it is that the German government is allowing it to escalate. They are under some strain, since it is becoming more and more obvious that the Snowden revelations are more embarrassing for the Germans' politicians and bureaucracy than for the US. After all two witnesses have just underlined that practically everything nsa did was known to the Germans authorities who helped and made much of it possible. That the spying had seemingly been allowed in writing by the chancellor's office and that the German secret service and government had themselves illegally used the information and broken the constitution.

    But making the US out to be in some way enemy is rather risky as deception maneuvers go. It is a little troubling, especially as there are rather pressing voices being raised, that demand Germany move away from the USA and closer to Russia. This movement is not new and Schröder's gas deal was almost certainly a planed part of this thrust, but it has gained urgency of late and may be more than just coincidental to the growing call for Germany to take greater responsibility for international security. Many of the same persons and groups fighting against greater responsibility with its higher costs are using this populisticly combined with the demand to align more closely with Russia.


    Heya Jog. I thought this might catch your attention. I don't think this will be going away to soon. Do you think it all stirs back up Monday?

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    Re: Germany arrests Suspected Double Agent spying for U.S.: Lawmakers

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Jog. I thought this might catch your attention. I don't think this will be going away to soon. Do you think it all stirs back up Monday?
    It is not clear how this is going to play out, but with cabinet heavies weighing in and the Bundespräsident seeing friendship with the USA on the line it is certain not to die down over night. Also it fits some rather disturbing groundswell as I mentioned above while helping the politicians and bureaucracy to deflect from massiv criminal behavior of their own.

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    Re: Germany arrests Suspected Double Agent spying for U.S.: Lawmakers

    Germany would be well within its rights to use diplomatic or economic means to punish the US for this infringement.


    Having said that... everyone knows that every nation spies on every other nation to the fullest extent it can.

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