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Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

It's amazing how Mugabe became a favorite of progressives because the OP decided it was true. So we have the KKK, RINOs, Hitler, and now Mugabe. How Mugabe gets along with the KKK I have no idea.



BTW, this obviously excuses all white on black racism that ever happens.
 
Well that's only my opinion.

Obviously you disagree.

Thus, equally obviously, there is debate to be had.

I know.

But, you just said anything I say cannot justify it.

Therefore, if I cannot Say anything to convince my opposition. HOW is there a debate "to be had"?
 
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I know.

But, you just said anything I say cannot justify it.

Therefore, if I cannot Say anything to convince my opposition HOW is there a debate "to be had"?
I was using exaggerated language to make a point.

Obviously, if you can come up with a valid argument to justify Mugabe's actions to me, I will be proven incorrect on the "any argument supporting it is flawed in the extreme." front.
 
I was using exaggerated language to make a point.

Obviously, if you can come up with a valid argument to justify Mugabe's actions to me, I will be proven incorrect on the "any argument supporting it is flawed in the extreme." front.

If a group a people have shown to push down the overall welfare of the nation in favor of their own, and as any Economics professor will inform you of GDP is not an accurate indictoar (all the time) of the benefit a nation is garnering, they are an inherently pernicious element that must be controlled or removed.

I find the assertation that the first round of "white flight" was a problem for Zumbabwe intriguing. Because, why not point a gun at the whites and tell them "If you don't meet your quota equal to your production plus 1-3% we will shoot you and your families" or your nation will suffer a greater fall?

Why should the minority, that previously dominated and abused that control of power, not be made to pay their dues?

(I apologize, seeing exacerbation in post online is difficult. Though I properly exacerbate the MOST on this thread, mostly to make up for what I see what Stupid right-wing nonsensical rationalizations of absues. Aprechaut was willing to even go so far as to say that the Rape of the Natives was a Revision of History, am I the only one offended by such a claim in all honesty?)


I always find it interesting how right-wingers on this board are obsessed with debt and the retainment of low inheritance taxes yet completely ignore or HATE the concept of inhereting the social debt of your forefathers?

Maybe it's because I come from a country where my forefathers have born the debt of war, financial and others, owned up to it and continued to press on that I consider these values so important.

But even in the most BASE level this is what I believe:

Africans should be made to stand on their own two feet (even charities of clothing have deleteriously affect African textile industries) and they should MAKE the whites that inherited the social disgrace of their forebearers, that was never paid, should be made to pay the debt/tax of it?

(I'm sorry if I have a lack of elocution/lucidy(sp? well **** it, suffixes should be super maleable in my opinion :p)/perspeciousness but I'm a tad un-sober)
 
If a group a people have shown to push down the overall welfare of the nation in favor of their own, and as any Economics professor will inform you of GDP is not an accurate indictoar (all the time) of the benefit a nation is garnering, they are an inherently pernicious element that must be controlled or removed.

I find the assertation that the first round of "white flight" was a problem for Zumbabwe intriguing. Because, why not point a gun at the whites and tell them "If you don't meet your quota equal to your production plus 1-3% we will shoot you and your families" or your nation will suffer a greater fall?

Why should the minority, that previously dominated and abused that control of power, not be made to pay their dues?

(I apologize, seeing exacerbation in post online is difficult. Though I properly exacerbate the MOST on this thread, mostly to make up for what I see what Stupid right-wing nonsensical rationalizations of absues. Aprechaut was willing to even go so far as to say that the Rape of the Natives was a Revision of History, am I the only one offended by such a claim in all honesty?)


I always find it interesting how right-wingers on this board are obsessed with debt and the retainment of low inheritance taxes yet completely ignore or HATE the concept of inhereting the social debt of your forefathers?

Maybe it's because I come from a country where my forefathers have born the debt of war, financial and others, owned up to it and continued to press on that I consider these values so important.

But even in the most BASE level this is what I believe:

Africans should be made to stand on their own two feet (even charities of clothing have deleteriously affect African textile industries) and they should MAKE the whites that inherited the social disgrace of their forebearers, that was never paid, should be made to pay the debt/tax of it?

(I'm sorry if I have a lack of elocution/lucidy(sp? well **** it, suffixes should be super maleable in my opinion :p)/perspeciousness but I'm a tad un-sober)
Or maybe it's because the very concept of social debt is counter to many conservative views.

Personally, I'm not sure it holds much water.

I mean, there's the whole concept of "individuality", and "individual responsibility". You're responsible for your own actions, not the actions of your ancestors, and only responsible for the actions of your offspring up to a point. And all that.



tl;dr "Social debt" is bull****.



Edit: And the REASON social debt is BS is...the people who "owe" that debt had no control over creating it.
 
Or maybe it's because the very concept of social debt is counter to many conservative views.

Personally, I'm not sure it holds much water.

I mean, there's the whole concept of "individuality", and "individual responsibility". You're responsible for your own actions, not the actions of your ancestors, and only responsible for the actions of your offspring up to a point. And all that.



tl;dr "Social debt" is bull****.



Edit: And the REASON social debt is BS is...the people who "owe" that debt had no control over creating it.

See, I would agree with this: "I mean, there's the whole concept of "individuality", and "individual responsibility". You're responsible for your own actions, not the actions of your ancestors, and only responsible for the actions of your offspring up to a point. And all that."

If Inheritance taxes were 100%.

I really would. But that's not the case.
 
See, I would agree with this: "I mean, there's the whole concept of "individuality", and "individual responsibility". You're responsible for your own actions, not the actions of your ancestors, and only responsible for the actions of your offspring up to a point. And all that."

If Inheritance taxes were 100%.

I really would. But that's not the case.
I can see the point you're making here...I think...

That if you inherited wealth from your parents, who were brutal slave-beating assholes, or whatever....Some of that wealth could reasonably be considered as "owed" to the former slaves for pain and suffering, among many other things.

I do not see how it means it would be owed to the government.

Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid. If you can monetarily quantify that kind of ****ed up ****.


Of course, the time at which that kind of would have best been applied was during the aftermath of the Civil War, black persons were still considered "less" than white people by far too many, and the idea that they should be paid damages for their time enslaved probably never came up in any serious sense.

Decades pass.

Now the descendents of slaves and the descendents of slave owners are arguing (still arguing?) whether the slaves (or, now, their descendents) should be paid damages.

With that same time passage, any advantage the inheritance gave has been...diluted.

This is one of those questions that has no good answer.

Either you try to precisely assign blame and damages, which is at this point nearly impossible (and hideously expensive), or you just give the whole matter a "clean slate" and move on.

Either option has negatives, or positives.

Crimes have statutes of limitation for a reason, and this is one of them.



tl;dr None of this justifies Mugabe's actions. I don't care if the parents of the people he's targeting were personally responsible for enslaving him specifically.

Still doesn't justify it.
 
I can see the point you're making here...I think...

That if you inherited wealth from your parents, who were brutal slave-beating assholes, or whatever....Some of that wealth could reasonably be considered as "owed" to the former slaves for pain and suffering, among many other things.

I do not see how it means it would be owed to the government.

Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid. If you can monetarily quantify that kind of ****ed up ****.


Of course, the time at which that kind of would have best been applied was during the aftermath of the Civil War, black persons were still considered "less" than white people by far too many, and the idea that they should be paid damages for their time enslaved probably never came up in any serious sense.

Decades pass.

Now the descendents of slaves and the descendents of slave owners are arguing (still arguing?) whether the slaves (or, now, their descendents) should be paid damages.

With that same time passage, any advantage the inheritance gave has been...diluted.

This is one of those questions that has no good answer.

Either you try to precisely assign blame and damages, which is at this point nearly impossible (and hideously expensive), or you just give the whole matter a "clean slate" and move on.

Either option has negatives, or positives.

Crimes have statutes of limitation for a reason, and this is one of them.



tl;dr None of this justifies Mugabe's actions. I don't care if the parents of the people he's targeting were personally responsible for enslaving him specifically.

Still doesn't justify it.

"Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid"

Then you are simply a naif. If you're 18, that's perfectly fine. Older? Then your progress mentally is retarded.

"Decades pass."

Beautiful Rationalization. Welcome to the clubs of the Pysciopaths.

Let me remind, I am a racist I have no love for the blacks/negros/niggers/jibbaboos but a debt is a debt, regardless. Even the Germans paid their WW1 debts off in 2010.

"With that same time passage, any advantage the inheritance gave has been...diluted. "

The only reason this is worth even responding to is how Wrong you are.

"Either you try to precisely assign blame and damages, which is at this point nearly impossible (and hideously expensive), or you just give the whole matter a "clean slate" and move on."

Exactly!! Give it a Clean slate by forcing the foundation of the Abuse Social Structure, i.e. the White in general (due, as you said, from the impossibility of delinieation) to pay their Rightful Dues.

"Either option has negatives, or positives.

Crimes have statutes of limitation for a reason, and this is one of them."

1st Line (of the above quote), I believe this is immanetly incorrect. And this is where opinions take president (sp).

2nd Line, right, because by installing an statue of limitations, during times where you can suppress the Entire Population from actually Legally Considering the Issue its okay. I mean, what are you? 13?

"tl;dr"

Don't EVER use that against me. I read my Opposition's post because on the Off Chance they are Correct I am more than willing to accept the Responibility of promulgating false propaganda. So please, ****ing stop with that goddamn nonsense. At least against me.
 
"Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid"

Then you are simply a naif. If you're 18, that's perfectly fine. Older? Then your progress mentally is retarded.

"Decades pass."

Beautiful Rationalization. Welcome to the clubs of the Pysciopaths.

Let me remind, I am a racist I have no love for the blacks/negros/niggers/jibbaboos but a debt is a debt, regardless. Even the Germans paid their WW1 debts off in 2010.

"With that same time passage, any advantage the inheritance gave has been...diluted. "

The only reason this is worth even responding to is how Wrong you are.

"Either you try to precisely assign blame and damages, which is at this point nearly impossible (and hideously expensive), or you just give the whole matter a "clean slate" and move on."

Exactly!! Give it a Clean slate by forcing the foundation of the Abuse Social Structure, i.e. the White in general (due, as you said, from the impossibility of delinieation) to pay their Rightful Dues.

"Either option has negatives, or positives.

Crimes have statutes of limitation for a reason, and this is one of them."

1st Line (of the above quote), I believe this is immanetly incorrect. And this is where opinions take president (sp).

2nd Line, right, because by installing an statue of limitations, during times where you can suppress the Entire Population from actually Legally Considering the Issue its okay. I mean, what are you? 13?

"tl;dr"

Don't EVER use that against me. I read my Opposition's post because on the Off Chance they are Correct I am more than willing to accept the Responibility of promulgating false propaganda. So please, ****ing stop with that goddamn nonsense. At least against me.
Well the tl;dr is really there for those who don't want to bother reading the post. Not directed at any specific person.

The "decades pass" was actually a way to abbreviate happenings that I have limited knowledge of, and which seemed unimportant to my point.

Why is "Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid" naive?


Not entirely sure how to respond to some of the other things you've said. You strike me as a bit racist, and I am incapable of understanding racism.
 
Well the tl;dr is really there for those who don't want to bother reading the post. Not directed at any specific person.

The "decades pass" was actually a way to abbreviate happenings that I have limited knowledge of, and which seemed unimportant to my point.

Why is "Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid" naive?


Not entirely sure how to respond to some of the other things you've said. You strike me as a bit racist, and I am incapable of understanding racism.

"The "decades pass" was actually a way to abbreviate happenings that I have limited knowledge of, and which seemed unimportant to my point."

LOL, thanks. I mean, there's no better way to concede than to Concede in the Grey Area. It just shows you were wrong on the Black AND White of the Issue.

"Why is "Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid" naive?"

Jesus, the only way I can help you with understanding that is by saying this: Get an Education.

And if you Have an education it was money very poorly spent by you or your family.

"Not entirely sure how to respond to some of the other things you've said. You strike me as a bit racist, and I am incapable of understanding racism. "

I am Racist against the People I am supporting in this argument. Yet, I support them because I cannot reject actual sense. I'm sorry you can't understand that. Must be your genes or something :/
 
"The "decades pass" was actually a way to abbreviate happenings that I have limited knowledge of, and which seemed unimportant to my point."

LOL, thanks. I mean, there's no better way to concede than to Concede in the Grey Area. It just shows you were wrong on the Black AND White of the Issue.

"Why is "Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid" naive?"

Jesus, the only way I can help you with understanding that is by saying this: Get an Education.

And if you Have an education it was money very poorly spent by you or your family.

"Not entirely sure how to respond to some of the other things you've said. You strike me as a bit racist, and I am incapable of understanding racism. "

I am Racist against the People I am supporting in this argument. Yet, I support them because I cannot reject actual sense. I'm sorry you can't understand that. Must be your genes or something :/
You misunderstand.

I am unable to understand the rational of racism because so far I have seen no rational behind it. In any form.


How does my statement indicate a lack of education or stupidity. Explain the flaw in my statement. Chances are I just missed something, if a flaw exists.

I conceded nothing. I explained why I used that phrase/term.
 
You misunderstand.

I am unable to understand the rational of racism because so far I have seen no rational behind it. In any form.


How does my statement indicate a lack of education or stupidity. Explain the flaw in my statement. Chances are I just missed something, if a flaw exists.

I conceded nothing. I explained why I used that phrase/term.

"I am unable to understand the rational of racism because so far I have seen no rational behind it. In any form."

Well, with candor, that's because you're white.

I'll be Goddamn if I did see any Racism if the dominate race was mine.

"How does my statement indicate a lack of education or stupidity. Explain the flaw in my statement. Chances are I just missed something, if a flaw exists."

The only way I can respond to that statement is this: You have an absolutely lacking Understanding of the Conditions of the nation. Compared to somehow whom has Entirely Dismissed Africa as a Nigger Continent. DESPITE MY RACISM AGAINST THEM, I cannot help but come to their aid. What does that tell you, when I see Slavery as a good thing yet this kind of action (the resistance to Mugabe's actions) as a bad thing? I mean really. If anything I'm the MOST unbaised, because I WANT the news to be negative towards the blacks on the occasion. Yet the morality, as limited as it may be especially in regards to this race, inside me cannot allow that.
 
One of our 'progressives' favorite dictators, Robert Mugabe, has declared that all White farmers must give up their land and go:

BBC News - Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe tells white farmers 'to go'

One would think he would have learned his lesson since he drove off most of the White farmers years ago. That little incident plunged Zimbabwe into a country that could not feed itself whereas the country had been the 'breadbasket' of Southern Africa for years with productive White farms. Do you think the world community and/or the UN should step in and prevent this ethnic cleansing?:shock::shock:



Cue the Zimbabwe starvation crisis in 5... 4...
 
Well, with candor, that's because you're white.

I'll be Goddamn if I did see any Racism if the dominate race was mine.
You misunderstand again.

I'm saying I can see no rational for racism, whatever form it takes, because so far I have seen no rational reasoning behind any racism I have encountered.

This means that if you make a decision based on a person's race, it is faulty. IMO.

The only way I can respond to that statement is this: You have an absolutely lacking Understanding of the Conditions of the nation. Compared to somehow whom has Entirely Dismissed Africa as a Nigger Continent. DESPITE MY RACISM AGAINST THEM, I cannot help but come to their aid. What does that tell you, when I see Slavery as a good thing yet this kind of action (the resistance to Mugabe's actions) as a bad thing? I mean really. If anything I'm the MOST unbaised, because I WANT the news to be negative towards the blacks on the occasion. Yet the morality, as limited as it may be especially in regards to this race, inside me cannot allow that.
What?

What the HELL?

I have no idea how to respond to this.

It appears extremely irrational.
 
You misunderstand again.

I'm saying I can see no rational for racism, whatever form it takes, because so far I have seen no rational reasoning behind any racism I have encountered.

This means that if you make a decision based on a person's race, it is faulty. IMO.

What?

What the HELL?

I have no idea how to respond to this.

It appears extremely irrational.

"I'm saying I can see no rational for racism, whatever form it takes, because so far I have seen no rational reasoning behind any racism I have encountered.

This means that if you make a decision based on a person's race, it is faulty. IMO."

There goes that Opinion again, that I Informed you of previously.

"What?

What the HELL?

I have no idea how to respond to this.

It appears extremely irrational. "

And this is why I did not want to debate with you, because you are incapable of understanding a Racist in non-Racist terms. You only listen and adhere to Buzz-Words.

Good day, I'll be watching this thread for a more open minded Conservative.
 
"I'm saying I can see no rational for racism, whatever form it takes, because so far I have seen no rational reasoning behind any racism I have encountered.

This means that if you make a decision based on a person's race, it is faulty. IMO."

There goes that Opinion again, that I Informed you of previously.

"What?

What the HELL?

I have no idea how to respond to this.

It appears extremely irrational. "

And this is why I did not want to debate with you, because you are incapable of understanding a Racist in non-Racist terms. You only listen and adhere to Buzz-Words.

Good day, I'll be watching this thread for a more open minded Conservative.
So you're telling me that, because I do not understand why you are racist, and think racism irrational, you will not debate the actions of Mugabe with me?

Also, what the hell is this BS about "Buzz-Words".

If anything, YOU'RE the one using "buzz-words". Whatever the hell that is.
 
So you're telling me that, because I do not understand why you are racist, and think racism irrational, you will not debate the actions of Mugabe with me?

Also, what the hell is this BS about "Buzz-Words".

If anything, YOU'RE the one using "buzz-words". Whatever the hell that is.

"Also, what the hell is this BS about "Buzz-Words".

If anything, YOU'RE the one using "buzz-words". Whatever the hell that is."

Let me downgrade that age from 13 to 11. I mean, were you raised on Deer Venison (which is ****ing Delicious tbf) and Beer?

"So you're telling me that, because I do not understand why you are racist, and think racism irrational, you will not debate the actions of Mugabe with me?"

I AM RACIST AGAINST MUGABE AND HIS PEOPLE AND I STILL SUPPORT HIS ACTIONS AGAINST THE WHITES. THATS WHAT I'M BLOODY SAYING.

Here's my Racist Order:

Master Race: Latino

2nd: Asian

3rd: White

4th: Native American (They are weak now, too stupid to recover. At this point, and not previous to this point, it is their own Goddamn fault. Wasting their political capability on the "Redskins" instead of more useful reforms. The ****ing Stupidity.)

5th: Black

6th: Indian (From India)
 
Let me downgrade that age from 13 to 11. I mean, were you raised on Deer Venison (which is ****ing Delicious tbf) and Beer?
There you go with the buzz-words again.

I've occasionally had venison (specifically deer meet) when a family friend or whatever gifted us some. Apart from that, no.

I've had about 3 beers in my entire life. All long after my 21st birthday. I don't really like beer that much. Perhaps it's an acquired taste?

I AM RACIST AGAINST MUGABE AND HIS PEOPLE AND I STILL SUPPORT HIS ACTIONS AGAINST THE WHITES. THATS WHAT I'M BLOODY SAYING.

Here's my Racist Order:

Master Race: Latino

2nd: Asian

3rd: White

4th: Native American (They are weak now, too stupid to recover. At this point, and not previous to this point, it is their own Goddamn fault. Wasting their political capability on the "Redskins" instead of more useful reforms. The ****ing Stupidity.)

5th: Black

6th: Indian (From India)
Damn.

That's ****ed up.
 
There you go with the buzz-words again.

I've occasionally had venison (specifically deer meet) when a family friend or whatever gifted us some. Apart from that, no.

I've had about 3 beers in my entire life. All long after my 21st birthday. I don't really like beer that much. Perhaps it's an acquired taste?

Damn.

That's ****ed up.

"Damn.

That's ****ed up."

Well, that's what Personal Life Experience has taught me.

Besides Latinos. Latinos, My Race, have jumped and harrassed me but I put them above all because I'm a mut (half white, half Nicaraguan) so I accept their abuse of me as an abuse of Whites and mixers. I only expect the harrassment of me by My Own Race to stop once I've proven, threw actions and Not Useless Words, that I am a True Nicaraguan. But that's a discussion for another thread. I am a HIGHLY Conceptualized person.

"There you go with the buzz-words again.

I've occasionally had venison (specifically deer meet) when a family friend or whatever gifted us some. Apart from that, no.

I've had about 3 beers in my entire life. All long after my 21st birthday. I don't really like beer that much. Perhaps it's an acquired taste?"

Venison is ****ing Amazing. Like really, it is ab-so-lute-ly ****ing GOOD.

I didn't like Beer either, but when I take Hard Liquor I go into Black out Rages where I swing at my closest friends. I'll fight tooth and nail, and luckily for Me (regarding jail time) and my friends (regarding their personal well being and Lives) I have a tremendous drop in combat capability from when I'm sober to drunk. If I could fight even half as well black-out drunk as I do sober I'd have killed ~4 people.

I only drink Beer because it's the only Alcohol I can handle and I can say it can easily be construed as an acquired taste. I used to rock 12-20 shots within an hour or two because of how smooth they are but from experience I've learned beer is my only option, not matter how it's destroyed by body fat percentage/six-pack :/
 
Well, that's what Personal Life Experience has taught me.

Besides Latinos. Latinos, My Race, have jumped and harrassed me but I put them above all because I'm a mut (half white, half Nicaraguan) so I accept their abuse of me as an abuse of Whites and mixers. I only expect the harrassment of me by My Own Race to stop once I've proven, threw actions and Not Useless Words, that I am a True Nicaraguan. But that's a discussion for another thread. I am a HIGHLY Conceptualized person.

Perhaps it's because I grew up as a "white person" in a predominately "white" area, in the northeastern US, even.


But to me, if ANYONE, of ANY race, decides that another person is less than they, or likely to do X, based on race.

It indicates faulty logic.

I consider racism irrational, simple as that.
 
Perhaps it's because I grew up as a "white person" in a predominately "white" area, in the northeastern US, even.


But to me, if ANYONE, of ANY race, decides that another person is less than they, or likely to do X, based on race.

It indicates faulty logic.

I consider racism irrational, simple as that.

"Perhaps it's because I grew up as a "white person" in a predominately "white" area, in the northeastern US, even."

That is BY FAR the most likely case. Those Privelege never understand their Priveledges until they Lose Them. But HEY, your Priveledges are largely based on Pigment so you never have to worry/experience/understand about the other side!

YAY FOR YOU PINKBOY!

"But to me, if ANYONE, of ANY race, decides that another person is less than they, or likely to do X, based on race."

Read above. We're not all granted with the Right given to Pink-Coloured persons.

"It indicates faulty logic.

I consider racism irrational, simple as that. "

Read above. You understanding is based entirely on being treated better than everyone else.

Yay For You!

F|_|CK Everyone Else!
 
"Perhaps it's because I grew up as a "white person" in a predominately "white" area, in the northeastern US, even."

That is BY FAR the most likely case. Those Privelege never understand their Priveledges until they Lose Them. But HEY, your Priveledges are largely based on Pigment so you never have to worry/experience/understand about the other side!

YAY FOR YOU PINKBOY!

"But to me, if ANYONE, of ANY race, decides that another person is less than they, or likely to do X, based on race."

Read above. We're not all granted with the Right given to Pink-Coloured persons.

"It indicates faulty logic.

I consider racism irrational, simple as that. "

Read above. You understanding is based entirely on being treated better than everyone else.

Yay For You!

F|_|CK Everyone Else!
I expect everyone to be treated equally.

Failure to do so is a problem.


Edit: Everyone includes all races.


My environment growing up was presented as background, not an example of racism.
I was trying to explain that I did not encounter it, in any significant amount, outside museums and historical studies.

To you, it's apparently an ever-present thing.

To me, its a sad history which should never be repeated.
 
I expect everyone to be treated equally.

Failure to do so is a problem.

What I would give to live in Your World.

Now back to the Real One!
 
I'm not sure he's intelligent enough to figure out what went wrong.

Western sanctions and trade embargoes don't help. I'm not a fan of the man far from but its not simple as people on this thread would lead u to believe
 
What I would give to live in Your World.

Now back to the Real One!
I expect the world to treat everyone equally.

I know it does not.

This is a problem that needs correcting.

You're part of that problem, when you place races in a hierarchy.
 
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