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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think most USA Americans see this from a jaundiced perspective. Right, White, Christians marched in lockstep to dominate Rhodesia. he worm turned and the Native owners regained the power to teke back what had been taken from them. Right, White, USA Christians must be able to picture their own blowback if the USA Native American Indians were to regain their power to take back what had been taken from them. "Might does not make right." Mugabe is good for Africans, even if he is a turd.
    how is a racist criminal like Mugabe good for Africans



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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    White, USA Christians must be able to picture their own blowback if the USA Native American Indians were to regain their power to take back what had been taken from them.
    That's revisionism. Nothing was illegally taken or stolen from North American indigenous population. It was all done legally under the international laws at the time, the same laws that all international laws are based upon today, Vattel's Law of Nations.

    England, France, Portugal, Germany, Russia, the United States all used the Law of Nations. (Spain not so much so.) Any competent judge who's not an activist judge who legislates from the bench today has a copy of the "Law of Nations" next to him.

    Vattel's Law of Nations, Book 1, Chapter XVlll.

    Excerpts:

    208. A question on this subject.

    >" But it is questioned whether a nation can, by the bare act of taking possession, appropriate to itself countries which it does not really occupy, and thus engross a much greater extent of territory than it is able to people or cultivate. It is not difficult to determine that such a pretension would be an absolute infringement of the natural rights of men, and repugnant to the views of nature, which, having destined the whole earth to supply the wants of mankind in general, gives no nation a right to appropriate to itself a country, except for the purpose of making use of it, and not of hindering others from deriving advantage from it. The law of nations will, therefore, not acknowledge the property and sovereignly of a nation over any uninhabited countries, except those of which it has really taken actual possession, in which it has formed settlements, or of which it makes actual use. in effect, when navigators have met with desert countries in which those of other nations had, in their transient visits, erected some monument to show their having taken possession of them, they have paid as little regard to that empty ceremony as to the regulation of the popes, who divided a great part of the world between the crowns of Castile and Portugal.1

    There is another celebrated question, to which the discovery of the New World has principally given rise. It is asked whether a nation may lawfully take possession of some part of a vast country, in which there are none but eratic nations whose scanty population is incapable of occupying the whole? We have already observed ( 81), in establishing the obligation to cultivate the earth, that those nations cannot exclusively appropriate to themselves more land than they have occasion for, or more than they are able to settle and cultivate. Their unsettled habitation in those immense regions cannot be accounted a true and legal possession; and the people of Europe, too closely pent up at home, finding land of which the savages stood in no particular need, and of which they made no actual and constant use, were lawfully entitled to take possession of it, and settle it with colonies. The earth, as we have already observed, belongs to mankind in general, and was designed to furnish them with subsistence: if each nation had, from the beginning, resolved to appropriate to itself a vast country, that the people might live only by hunting, fishing, and wild fruits, our globe would not be sufficient to maintain a tenth part of its present inhabitants. We do not, therefore, deviate from the views of nature, in confining the Indians within narrower limits, However, we cannot help praising the moderation of the English Puritans who first settled in New England; who, notwithstanding their being furnished with a charter from their sovereign, purchased of the Indians the land of which they intended to take possession.2 This laudable example was followed by William Penn, and the colony of Quakers that he conducted to Pennsylvania..."<

    Vattel: The Law of Nations: Book I

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Exactly.

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    Hahah! A Communist named Buddha is espousing Social Darwinism? A hole has been torn in the fabric of spacetime.
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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hahah! A Communist named Buddha is espousing Social Darwinism? A hole has been torn in the fabric of spacetime.
    It's funny how many assault so vehemently an ideology they don't even understand.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Debate is almost always about opinion.
    This is no different.
    In your opinion the actions of some evil individuals decades ago, who happened to have white skin, justify Mugabe's actions today.

    In my opinion that is a stupid opinion, and any argument supporting it is flawed in the extreme.
    And yet you say there's a debate to be had.

    Contradiction

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    That's revisionism. Nothing was illegally taken or stolen from North American indigenous population. It was all done legally under the international laws at the time, the same laws that all international laws are based upon today, Vattel's Law of Nations.

    England, France, Portugal, Germany, Russia, the United States all used the Law of Nations. (Spain not so much so.) Any competent judge who's not an activist judge who legislates from the bench today has a copy of the "Law of Nations" next to him.

    Vattel's Law of Nations, Book 1, Chapter XVlll.

    Excerpts:

    208. A question on this subject.

    >" But it is questioned whether a nation can, by the bare act of taking possession, appropriate to itself countries which it does not really occupy, and thus engross a much greater extent of territory than it is able to people or cultivate. It is not difficult to determine that such a pretension would be an absolute infringement of the natural rights of men, and repugnant to the views of nature, which, having destined the whole earth to supply the wants of mankind in general, gives no nation a right to appropriate to itself a country, except for the purpose of making use of it, and not of hindering others from deriving advantage from it. The law of nations will, therefore, not acknowledge the property and sovereignly of a nation over any uninhabited countries, except those of which it has really taken actual possession, in which it has formed settlements, or of which it makes actual use. in effect, when navigators have met with desert countries in which those of other nations had, in their transient visits, erected some monument to show their having taken possession of them, they have paid as little regard to that empty ceremony as to the regulation of the popes, who divided a great part of the world between the crowns of Castile and Portugal.1

    There is another celebrated question, to which the discovery of the New World has principally given rise. It is asked whether a nation may lawfully take possession of some part of a vast country, in which there are none but eratic nations whose scanty population is incapable of occupying the whole? We have already observed ( 81), in establishing the obligation to cultivate the earth, that those nations cannot exclusively appropriate to themselves more land than they have occasion for, or more than they are able to settle and cultivate. Their unsettled habitation in those immense regions cannot be accounted a true and legal possession; and the people of Europe, too closely pent up at home, finding land of which the savages stood in no particular need, and of which they made no actual and constant use, were lawfully entitled to take possession of it, and settle it with colonies. The earth, as we have already observed, belongs to mankind in general, and was designed to furnish them with subsistence: if each nation had, from the beginning, resolved to appropriate to itself a vast country, that the people might live only by hunting, fishing, and wild fruits, our globe would not be sufficient to maintain a tenth part of its present inhabitants. We do not, therefore, deviate from the views of nature, in confining the Indians within narrower limits, However, we cannot help praising the moderation of the English Puritans who first settled in New England; who, notwithstanding their being furnished with a charter from their sovereign, purchased of the Indians the land of which they intended to take possession.2 This laudable example was followed by William Penn, and the colony of Quakers that he conducted to Pennsylvania..."<

    Vattel: The Law of Nations: Book I
    Rationalizing rape and depredation

    Let me know when your birth day comes around, so I can get you a slave whip!

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Rationalizing rape and depredation

    Let me know when your birth day comes around, so I can get you a slave whip!
    Rape ?

    Which tribe are you referring to ?

    You are aware that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't cover Native American tribes. They continued to practice slavery until the turn of the century into 1900.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Rape ?

    Which tribe are you referring to ?

    You are aware that the Emancipation Proclamation didn't cover Native American tribes. They continued to practice slavery until the turn of the century into 1900.
    Are you trying to deny that the white man didn't rape the Natives? Talk about revisionism!

    Your point? (the second line)

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Are you trying to deny that the white man didn't rape the Natives? Talk about revisionism!

    Your point? (the second line)
    Who actually committed these rapes you speak of ?

    Any credible documentation besides revisionist history ?

    You identify yourself as being a communist and you need no explanation how the radical left uses revisionism to advance their agenda.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Who actually committed these rapes you speak of ?

    Any credible documentation besides revisionist history ?

    You identify yourself as being a communist and you need no explanation how the radical left uses revisionism to advance their agenda.
    Good golly God, I think I should just crawl back into the economics sub-forum, at least there I don't need to post links to widely accepted historic Facts.

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