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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I think most USA Americans see this from a jaundiced perspective. Right, White, Christians marched in lockstep to dominate Rhodesia. he worm turned and the Native owners regained the power to teke back what had been taken from them. Right, White, USA Christians must be able to picture their own blowback if the USA Native American Indians were to regain their power to take back what had been taken from them. "Might does not make right." Mugabe is good for Africans, even if he is a turd.
    Good for Africans in his own tribe. Not good for any other Africans, who he slaughtered in large numbers.

    Then he chased all the white farmers away, and, despite the success of some small farmers, everyone starved. Except Mugabe and his cronies. Over all his policies have resulted in unemployment, poverty, and hunger.

    Western liberal support for Mugabe was exemplified by the numerous honorary degrees he received from academic institutions all over the world in the 1980s only to be rescinded as the events of the next century unfolded.

    Zimbabwe has gone from what was initially a state of hope to one of desolation.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    No, Marxist-Leninism is just what communism always becomes. The "melting away of the state" just never happens. After a couple of decades it becomes clear that what you have is an authoritarian state along the lines of the Asian Mode of Production.

    The State becomes a class interest and begins funneling wealth and other resources to its own benefit and the detriment of everyone else.

    No matter which leftist state you want to consider it's always the same. The ruling functionaries have all the wealth, housing, services and resources. Everyone else waits in lines for bread.

    Any time the left takes power this is what happens once democracy ends.

    And arm chair communists in America want to try to disown all this, but they can't if they are honest.
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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Its a subtle and unimportant distinction either way.

    As ideologies go, they're both a failure.
    Ah, cool.

    Neither of them are real Socialism nor Orthodox Marxism.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Scandinavia x.x
    Sorry, but democracy is not quite over in Scandinavia.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Sorry, but democracy is not quite over in Scandinavia.
    Exactly. It's Socialist, an in that sense probably the closest to Orthodox Marxism there is in the world currently.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    How so?

    Whites have a history of exploitation in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe.

    It's time for them to get theirs.
    Not a valid reason.
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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Not a valid reason.
    Well, I guess that takes us away from debate to opinion so I'll just sit out till another more interesting matter comes up on this board.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Well, I guess that takes us away from debate to opinion so I'll just sit out till another more interesting matter comes up on this board.
    Debate is almost always about opinion.
    This is no different.
    In your opinion the actions of some evil individuals decades ago, who happened to have white skin, justify Mugabe's actions today.

    In my opinion that is a stupid opinion, and any argument supporting it is flawed in the extreme.
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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Exactly. It's Socialist, an in that sense probably the closest to Orthodox Marxism there is in the world currently.
    Huh ?

    Jesus H man, pick up a book.

    Or do a bit of objective research for a change.

    Scandinavian countries are heavily vested in and benefit ftom the concept of PROFIT and have used the concept of Free Markets to build massive amounts of wealth.

    From Corporate income taxes lower than our own to lax banking regulations that have allowed trillions in wealth to be stashed away tax free for decades Scandinavian Countries are definitively Capitalist

    Marxism.....Lol !

    Marx was a moron with more beard than brains.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I'm shocked that anyone is actually defending this. It's pure racial discrimination and it's wrong, it's indefensible.
    edit: oh, that guy.

    Yeah that's weird.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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