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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    It's amazing how Mugabe became a favorite of progressives because the OP decided it was true. So we have the KKK, RINOs, Hitler, and now Mugabe. How Mugabe gets along with the KKK I have no idea.



    BTW, this obviously excuses all white on black racism that ever happens.


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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Well that's only my opinion.

    Obviously you disagree.

    Thus, equally obviously, there is debate to be had.
    I know.

    But, you just said anything I say cannot justify it.

    Therefore, if I cannot Say anything to convince my opposition. HOW is there a debate "to be had"?
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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    I know.

    But, you just said anything I say cannot justify it.

    Therefore, if I cannot Say anything to convince my opposition HOW is there a debate "to be had"?
    I was using exaggerated language to make a point.

    Obviously, if you can come up with a valid argument to justify Mugabe's actions to me, I will be proven incorrect on the "any argument supporting it is flawed in the extreme." front.
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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I was using exaggerated language to make a point.

    Obviously, if you can come up with a valid argument to justify Mugabe's actions to me, I will be proven incorrect on the "any argument supporting it is flawed in the extreme." front.
    If a group a people have shown to push down the overall welfare of the nation in favor of their own, and as any Economics professor will inform you of GDP is not an accurate indictoar (all the time) of the benefit a nation is garnering, they are an inherently pernicious element that must be controlled or removed.

    I find the assertation that the first round of "white flight" was a problem for Zumbabwe intriguing. Because, why not point a gun at the whites and tell them "If you don't meet your quota equal to your production plus 1-3% we will shoot you and your families" or your nation will suffer a greater fall?

    Why should the minority, that previously dominated and abused that control of power, not be made to pay their dues?

    (I apologize, seeing exacerbation in post online is difficult. Though I properly exacerbate the MOST on this thread, mostly to make up for what I see what Stupid right-wing nonsensical rationalizations of absues. Aprechaut was willing to even go so far as to say that the Rape of the Natives was a Revision of History, am I the only one offended by such a claim in all honesty?)


    I always find it interesting how right-wingers on this board are obsessed with debt and the retainment of low inheritance taxes yet completely ignore or HATE the concept of inhereting the social debt of your forefathers?

    Maybe it's because I come from a country where my forefathers have born the debt of war, financial and others, owned up to it and continued to press on that I consider these values so important.

    But even in the most BASE level this is what I believe:

    Africans should be made to stand on their own two feet (even charities of clothing have deleteriously affect African textile industries) and they should MAKE the whites that inherited the social disgrace of their forebearers, that was never paid, should be made to pay the debt/tax of it?

    (I'm sorry if I have a lack of elocution/lucidy(sp? well **** it, suffixes should be super maleable in my opinion :P)/perspeciousness but I'm a tad un-sober)

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    If a group a people have shown to push down the overall welfare of the nation in favor of their own, and as any Economics professor will inform you of GDP is not an accurate indictoar (all the time) of the benefit a nation is garnering, they are an inherently pernicious element that must be controlled or removed.

    I find the assertation that the first round of "white flight" was a problem for Zumbabwe intriguing. Because, why not point a gun at the whites and tell them "If you don't meet your quota equal to your production plus 1-3% we will shoot you and your families" or your nation will suffer a greater fall?

    Why should the minority, that previously dominated and abused that control of power, not be made to pay their dues?

    (I apologize, seeing exacerbation in post online is difficult. Though I properly exacerbate the MOST on this thread, mostly to make up for what I see what Stupid right-wing nonsensical rationalizations of absues. Aprechaut was willing to even go so far as to say that the Rape of the Natives was a Revision of History, am I the only one offended by such a claim in all honesty?)


    I always find it interesting how right-wingers on this board are obsessed with debt and the retainment of low inheritance taxes yet completely ignore or HATE the concept of inhereting the social debt of your forefathers?

    Maybe it's because I come from a country where my forefathers have born the debt of war, financial and others, owned up to it and continued to press on that I consider these values so important.

    But even in the most BASE level this is what I believe:

    Africans should be made to stand on their own two feet (even charities of clothing have deleteriously affect African textile industries) and they should MAKE the whites that inherited the social disgrace of their forebearers, that was never paid, should be made to pay the debt/tax of it?

    (I'm sorry if I have a lack of elocution/lucidy(sp? well **** it, suffixes should be super maleable in my opinion :P)/perspeciousness but I'm a tad un-sober)
    Or maybe it's because the very concept of social debt is counter to many conservative views.

    Personally, I'm not sure it holds much water.

    I mean, there's the whole concept of "individuality", and "individual responsibility". You're responsible for your own actions, not the actions of your ancestors, and only responsible for the actions of your offspring up to a point. And all that.



    tl;dr "Social debt" is bull****.



    Edit: And the REASON social debt is BS is...the people who "owe" that debt had no control over creating it.
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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Or maybe it's because the very concept of social debt is counter to many conservative views.

    Personally, I'm not sure it holds much water.

    I mean, there's the whole concept of "individuality", and "individual responsibility". You're responsible for your own actions, not the actions of your ancestors, and only responsible for the actions of your offspring up to a point. And all that.



    tl;dr "Social debt" is bull****.



    Edit: And the REASON social debt is BS is...the people who "owe" that debt had no control over creating it.
    See, I would agree with this: "I mean, there's the whole concept of "individuality", and "individual responsibility". You're responsible for your own actions, not the actions of your ancestors, and only responsible for the actions of your offspring up to a point. And all that."

    If Inheritance taxes were 100%.

    I really would. But that's not the case.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    See, I would agree with this: "I mean, there's the whole concept of "individuality", and "individual responsibility". You're responsible for your own actions, not the actions of your ancestors, and only responsible for the actions of your offspring up to a point. And all that."

    If Inheritance taxes were 100%.

    I really would. But that's not the case.
    I can see the point you're making here...I think...

    That if you inherited wealth from your parents, who were brutal slave-beating assholes, or whatever....Some of that wealth could reasonably be considered as "owed" to the former slaves for pain and suffering, among many other things.

    I do not see how it means it would be owed to the government.

    Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid. If you can monetarily quantify that kind of ****ed up ****.


    Of course, the time at which that kind of would have best been applied was during the aftermath of the Civil War, black persons were still considered "less" than white people by far too many, and the idea that they should be paid damages for their time enslaved probably never came up in any serious sense.

    Decades pass.

    Now the descendents of slaves and the descendents of slave owners are arguing (still arguing?) whether the slaves (or, now, their descendents) should be paid damages.

    With that same time passage, any advantage the inheritance gave has been...diluted.

    This is one of those questions that has no good answer.

    Either you try to precisely assign blame and damages, which is at this point nearly impossible (and hideously expensive), or you just give the whole matter a "clean slate" and move on.

    Either option has negatives, or positives.

    Crimes have statutes of limitation for a reason, and this is one of them.



    tl;dr None of this justifies Mugabe's actions. I don't care if the parents of the people he's targeting were personally responsible for enslaving him specifically.

    Still doesn't justify it.
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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I can see the point you're making here...I think...

    That if you inherited wealth from your parents, who were brutal slave-beating assholes, or whatever....Some of that wealth could reasonably be considered as "owed" to the former slaves for pain and suffering, among many other things.

    I do not see how it means it would be owed to the government.

    Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid. If you can monetarily quantify that kind of ****ed up ****.


    Of course, the time at which that kind of would have best been applied was during the aftermath of the Civil War, black persons were still considered "less" than white people by far too many, and the idea that they should be paid damages for their time enslaved probably never came up in any serious sense.

    Decades pass.

    Now the descendents of slaves and the descendents of slave owners are arguing (still arguing?) whether the slaves (or, now, their descendents) should be paid damages.

    With that same time passage, any advantage the inheritance gave has been...diluted.

    This is one of those questions that has no good answer.

    Either you try to precisely assign blame and damages, which is at this point nearly impossible (and hideously expensive), or you just give the whole matter a "clean slate" and move on.

    Either option has negatives, or positives.

    Crimes have statutes of limitation for a reason, and this is one of them.



    tl;dr None of this justifies Mugabe's actions. I don't care if the parents of the people he's targeting were personally responsible for enslaving him specifically.

    Still doesn't justify it.
    "Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid"

    Then you are simply a naif. If you're 18, that's perfectly fine. Older? Then your progress mentally is retarded.

    "Decades pass."

    Beautiful Rationalization. Welcome to the clubs of the Pysciopaths.

    Let me remind, I am a racist I have no love for the blacks/negros/niggers/jibbaboos but a debt is a debt, regardless. Even the Germans paid their WW1 debts off in 2010.

    "With that same time passage, any advantage the inheritance gave has been...diluted. "

    The only reason this is worth even responding to is how Wrong you are.

    "Either you try to precisely assign blame and damages, which is at this point nearly impossible (and hideously expensive), or you just give the whole matter a "clean slate" and move on."

    Exactly!! Give it a Clean slate by forcing the foundation of the Abuse Social Structure, i.e. the White in general (due, as you said, from the impossibility of delinieation) to pay their Rightful Dues.

    "Either option has negatives, or positives.

    Crimes have statutes of limitation for a reason, and this is one of them."

    1st Line (of the above quote), I believe this is immanetly incorrect. And this is where opinions take president (sp).

    2nd Line, right, because by installing an statue of limitations, during times where you can suppress the Entire Population from actually Legally Considering the Issue its okay. I mean, what are you? 13?

    "tl;dr"

    Don't EVER use that against me. I read my Opposition's post because on the Off Chance they are Correct I am more than willing to accept the Responibility of promulgating false propaganda. So please, ****ing stop with that goddamn nonsense. At least against me.

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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    "Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid"

    Then you are simply a naif. If you're 18, that's perfectly fine. Older? Then your progress mentally is retarded.

    "Decades pass."

    Beautiful Rationalization. Welcome to the clubs of the Pysciopaths.

    Let me remind, I am a racist I have no love for the blacks/negros/niggers/jibbaboos but a debt is a debt, regardless. Even the Germans paid their WW1 debts off in 2010.

    "With that same time passage, any advantage the inheritance gave has been...diluted. "

    The only reason this is worth even responding to is how Wrong you are.

    "Either you try to precisely assign blame and damages, which is at this point nearly impossible (and hideously expensive), or you just give the whole matter a "clean slate" and move on."

    Exactly!! Give it a Clean slate by forcing the foundation of the Abuse Social Structure, i.e. the White in general (due, as you said, from the impossibility of delinieation) to pay their Rightful Dues.

    "Either option has negatives, or positives.

    Crimes have statutes of limitation for a reason, and this is one of them."

    1st Line (of the above quote), I believe this is immanetly incorrect. And this is where opinions take president (sp).

    2nd Line, right, because by installing an statue of limitations, during times where you can suppress the Entire Population from actually Legally Considering the Issue its okay. I mean, what are you? 13?

    "tl;dr"

    Don't EVER use that against me. I read my Opposition's post because on the Off Chance they are Correct I am more than willing to accept the Responibility of promulgating false propaganda. So please, ****ing stop with that goddamn nonsense. At least against me.
    Well the tl;dr is really there for those who don't want to bother reading the post. Not directed at any specific person.

    The "decades pass" was actually a way to abbreviate happenings that I have limited knowledge of, and which seemed unimportant to my point.

    Why is "Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid" naive?


    Not entirely sure how to respond to some of the other things you've said. You strike me as a bit racist, and I am incapable of understanding racism.
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    Re: Zimbabwe: Mugabe Tells All White Farmers they Must Give Up Their Land and 'Go'

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Well the tl;dr is really there for those who don't want to bother reading the post. Not directed at any specific person.

    The "decades pass" was actually a way to abbreviate happenings that I have limited knowledge of, and which seemed unimportant to my point.

    Why is "Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid" naive?


    Not entirely sure how to respond to some of the other things you've said. You strike me as a bit racist, and I am incapable of understanding racism.
    "The "decades pass" was actually a way to abbreviate happenings that I have limited knowledge of, and which seemed unimportant to my point."

    LOL, thanks. I mean, there's no better way to concede than to Concede in the Grey Area. It just shows you were wrong on the Black AND White of the Issue.

    "Why is "Sounds more like something that would be hashed out in court and damages paid" naive?"

    Jesus, the only way I can help you with understanding that is by saying this: Get an Education.

    And if you Have an education it was money very poorly spent by you or your family.

    "Not entirely sure how to respond to some of the other things you've said. You strike me as a bit racist, and I am incapable of understanding racism. "

    I am Racist against the People I am supporting in this argument. Yet, I support them because I cannot reject actual sense. I'm sorry you can't understand that. Must be your genes or something :/

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