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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I wish more would explain as you have the situation of police officers. I generally ascribe it to the Law Enforcement mentality vs. Peace Officer mentality which are two different and competing mentalities. The law enforcement mentality is actively looking for trouble, looking for law breakers keeping the peace is tertiary. The peace officer mentality is looking to diffuse or resolve trouble and generally keep the peace, enforcing the law is tertiary. So far that I can see in the urban and suburban areas anyhow the law enforcement mentality seems to predominate, while the peace officer mentality predominates the more rural areas though this is becoming less so over time it seems to me.
    I can see the need for both, but generally I would agree with you, right down to what the police wear:

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    Who is more approachable?

    Winning or hearts and minds, earning trust and respect....

    The image the police wish to project is one of intimidation (top pic). The idea that respect can be commanded not earned. Its ridiculous.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's obvious that there seems to be a bit of excessive force involved. What would you have done differently?
    Well if I thought the woman was putting herself in danger and she wasn't responding to verbal appeals, then I would have restrained her. If she resisted I would have used tactics that most law enforcement is taught and taken her down, roller her on her stomach. From there it depends on how she acted.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's why you'll never see the classified picture of dead Osama, because many things can be deduced from the picture beyond the mere image itself.

    CHP should know better than to record anything which they don't want the public to know about.
    There is absolutely nothing the CHP or ANY others peace officers do which the public should not be privy to with the sole exception of CURRENT undercover operations and then only to hide the identities of the officers currently involved. They are public officials, on public dime, in public space or publicly owned facilities, on public business, they have absolutely NO expectations of privacy.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    It's not like those are the only two options.
    I never said those were the only 2 options. I said I would do one before the other, and that's not saying there are only 2 options. I would listen to the Lego Movie theme-song for 5 hours straight before listening to even one Justin Bieber song, and that's not saying there is only Lego Movie theme and Justin Bieber 'music' in existence.

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    How about simply restraining your gramma, I mean you can overpower grandma, cant you? And even if you can't, a cop should be able to right?
    With my grandmother in mind, I would probably tell her that Joe is waiting at the bank, and she would get right into my car. No problem.

    But, you don't know who Joe is, you don't know why he would be waiting for her, you don't know why my grandmother would hurry to see him there. And neither would a random cop know any of this, and so if there was a struggle and she were tazed to get her off the busy freeway, my thoughts are towards what old-folks home to put her in, not suing CHP.

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Agreed.....So what we appear to have here is a delirious 51 year old woman walking around in traffic.....Hmmmm Taze or beat in the face...How about NEITHER!
    Do we know she sustained any injury at all yet? I think her next-of-kin is liable to the State for negligence in providing proper care for their relative and creating this public hazard. CHP should sue the old woman and her estate for the cost of the incident and the cop should sue her individually for placing his life in unnecessary risk on the freeway.

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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    There is absolutely nothing the CHP or ANY others peace officers do which the public should not be privy to with the sole exception of CURRENT undercover operations and then only to hide the identities of the officers currently involved. They are public officials, on public dime, in public space or publicly owned facilities, on public business, they have absolutely NO expectations of privacy.
    The reason given wasn't 'privacy', but 'security'.

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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman[W:195]

    how pissed would you be if the cop didn't do everything necessary to stop your crazy ass mother from getting killed in traffic or causing a wreck that killed others? Would we be talking about lawsuits for a cop that didn't do all he could do to restrain a woman walking into traffic on the freeway and evading arrest?
    It's staggering how some people try to read between the lines..../boggle

    Where did I say I wanted the cop to let that woman do whatever she wanted??? Where???

    We didn't see a progression of force, we saw the officer resort to overwhelming force right from the start. Once she was on the ground and he was on top of her...BAM that's it.... He got her down w/o a tazer, without punching her in the face, he should have the requisite training to maintain control of a 51 year old woman.

    Why would anything beyond physical force applied with his own hands be necessary to subdue and restrain her without causing any (or very little) physical injury? He wasen't at all concerned for her saftey. He was angry that she wasn't listening to him. The facial beating proves it.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The reason given wasn't 'privacy', but 'security'.
    Just about anything can be justified in the name of "security"....Where does that end? This isn't the military we're talking about. This is the police.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I wish more would explain as you have the situation of police officers. I generally ascribe it to the Law Enforcement mentality vs. Peace Officer mentality which are two different and competing mentalities. The law enforcement mentality is actively looking for trouble, looking for law breakers keeping the peace is tertiary. The peace officer mentality is looking to diffuse or resolve trouble and generally keep the peace, enforcing the law is tertiary. So far that I can see in the urban and suburban areas anyhow the law enforcement mentality seems to predominate, while the peace officer mentality predominates the more rural areas though this is becoming less so over time it seems to me.
    This would correlate nicely with local gun laws of those respective areas. 'Law enforcement' want citizens disarmed and docile, while 'peace officers' live and let live.

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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Do we know she sustained any injury at all yet?
    Ok, we're done....You've just crossed a line of stupidity I'm not willing to follow.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman[W:195]

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    We didn't see a progression of force....
    We didn't see the entire incident start to finish, either, and so we can't determine if progression of force was followed. You cannot rule out the possibility that other means were tried and failed, and when the cop caught back up with her he simply bypassed what had already failed; that bypass being justified by the imminent danger of the busy freeway.

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