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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I can't decide if they should be mandatory or not, but the circumstantial evidence is pretty damning... "Oh, so you CAN restrain yourself in what you would otherwise claim are heated situations when you think the chances of getting caught increases, eh?"
    Exactly. And, honestly and fairly? How many complaints of "police brutality" are likely to go away? Hell, I'd be willing to donate a rather tidy sum (in comparison) to a local fundraiser to get them for my own local department. It'd probably save the entire cost of the system in legal fees and paid administrative leave in a few years.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Taxes to pay for it.

    ...here, have a 'free' MRAP...
    Cost would be offset by reduced lawsuit judgements to some degree.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    This news story is from a different case, but it shows the CHP's attitude towards being accountable to the public. I couldn't find a story on the results of the June 17th hearing.

    DA, public defender butt heads over release of video from traffic stop
    By Chris Roberts @cbloggy


    The City's prosecutors and defense attorneys are fighting over whether video from a California Highway Patrol traffic stop should be released to the public.

    First Amendment rights are at stake, according to the office of Public Defender Jeff Adachi, who is sparring with District Attorney George Gascón over footage from a May 12 traffic stop.

    The case involves Jeanine Williams, who was charged with misdemeanor DUI, providing false information to police, driving with a suspended license and expired registration, according to records.

    The CHP provided the prosecution with a DVD containing footage of the incident recorded from the CHP officers' patrol car, but on the condition that the video would not be released to the media, the public or anyone else without express permission from a judge.

    Releasing the video -- which "may contain" CHP radio chatter or "tactics" -- to the news media or posting it on social media YouTube would threaten "public and officer safety," according to the CHP.

    The District Attorney agreed and asked a San Francisco Superior Court judge to bar releasing the video or any stills pulled from it to the public.

    The DA's order amounts to a "blanket protective order" that would block public access to any footage of CHP stops, the public defender argued, which also violates Williams's First Amendment rights.

    State law protects much law enforcement activity from public disclosure, though the state Supreme Court ruled last week that the names of officers involved in shootings should be public.

    A judge is scheduled to hear arguments in this case on June 17.

    http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancis...nt?oid=2816035

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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I'd bet those unions fighting for the jobs of those accused of wrong-doing would just hate having video evidence.
    Well, if you think about it, they have a bigger interest in there not being video evidence. There is police brutality that doesn't leave any marks. However, I suspect it's more for the money:

    Police brutality cases on rise since 9/11 - USATODAY.com

    Cases in which police, prison guards and other law enforcement authorities have used excessive force or other tactics to violate victims' civil rights have increased 25% (281 vs. 224) from fiscal years 2001 to 2007 over the previous seven years, the department says.
    If only 10% of those cases got lawsuits brought against them, it would mean millions in losses for the city as well as possible cutbacks in PD budgets. So yeah, cop unions who don't seem to interested in video cameras on their cars have reason.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    This news story is from a different case, but it shows the CHP's attitude towards being accountable to the public. I couldn't find a story on the results of the June 17th hearing.

    DA, public defender butt heads over release of video from traffic stop
    By Chris Roberts @cbloggy


    The City's prosecutors and defense attorneys are fighting over whether video from a California Highway Patrol traffic stop should be released to the public.

    First Amendment rights are at stake, according to the office of Public Defender Jeff Adachi, who is sparring with District Attorney George Gascón over footage from a May 12 traffic stop.

    The case involves Jeanine Williams, who was charged with misdemeanor DUI, providing false information to police, driving with a suspended license and expired registration, according to records.

    The CHP provided the prosecution with a DVD containing footage of the incident recorded from the CHP officers' patrol car, but on the condition that the video would not be released to the media, the public or anyone else without express permission from a judge.

    Releasing the video -- which "may contain" CHP radio chatter or "tactics" -- to the news media or posting it on social media YouTube would threaten "public and officer safety," according to the CHP.

    The District Attorney agreed and asked a San Francisco Superior Court judge to bar releasing the video or any stills pulled from it to the public.

    The DA's order amounts to a "blanket protective order" that would block public access to any footage of CHP stops, the public defender argued, which also violates Williams's First Amendment rights.

    State law protects much law enforcement activity from public disclosure, though the state Supreme Court ruled last week that the names of officers involved in shootings should be public.

    A judge is scheduled to hear arguments in this case on June 17.

    DA, public defender butt heads over release of video from traffic stop | Crime & Courts | San Francisco | San Francisco Examiner
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    I used to train police officers in "continuance of force techniques" (which ironically would have applied here). These techniques allow an officer to start with minimal force and still take control of a subject, all without beating people in the face.

    Based on the officers I trained I'd say the problem is simple. It's the culture of most departments and the complete lack of discipline. You can't mix enormous amounts of authority with a lack in self discipline. It's a recipe for exactly what the OP shows.

    The above being a perfect example...



    When training police I used to see this attitude all the time....Anyone with this attitude should be prevented from being a police officer as it shows a complete lack of empathy and mental self discipline.

    Having said that....

    Underneath, most officers are generally good people, they just don't know how to handle their emotions. When in situations like this they loose control and the OP is the result.

    Am I letting the officer off the hook, NO WAY....I'm just saying that most people would fail in these situations because few people are trained to deal with the emotional stress that comes with being a police officer. Ultimately I blame the system and culture that has moved away from "protect and serve" the public and has increasingly militarized with the justification of protecting itself.

    Generally I would disagree that most officers are bad, but I think the way we police the public needs to change fundamentally.
    I wish more would explain as you have the situation of police officers. I generally ascribe it to the Law Enforcement mentality vs. Peace Officer mentality which are two different and competing mentalities. The law enforcement mentality is actively looking for trouble, looking for law breakers keeping the peace is tertiary. The peace officer mentality is looking to diffuse or resolve trouble and generally keep the peace, enforcing the law is tertiary. So far that I can see in the urban and suburban areas anyhow the law enforcement mentality seems to predominate, while the peace officer mentality predominates the more rural areas though this is becoming less so over time it seems to me.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If I was that cop and that woman was my grandmother I would taze her long before I ever got on top of her and rained down punches.
    LOL, nice false dichotomy....It's not like those are the only two options. How about simply restraining your gramma, I mean you can overpower grandma, cant you? And even if you can't, a cop should be able to right?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Its important to account for all the hazards in that situation and weigh each of them in context to the total situation.
    Agreed.....So what we appear to have here is a delirious 51 year old woman walking around in traffic.....Hmmmm Taze or beat in the face...How about NEITHER!
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh, so the emphatic and disciplined thing to do, according to you, is beat the woman in the head like in the video. And you say you train police? I think you're the problem.

    No thanks, if she resists that much then I'll just taze her and cuff her.
    He no such thing Jerry your putting words to screen he didn't write.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Agreed.....So what we appear to have here is a delirious 51 year old woman walking around in traffic.....Hmmmm Taze or beat in the face...How about NEITHER!
    It's obvious that there seems to be a bit of excessive force involved. What would you have done differently?
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Releasing the video -- which "may contain" CHP radio chatter or "tactics" -- to the news media or posting it on social media YouTube would threaten "public and officer safety," according to the CHP.
    That's why you'll never see the classified picture of dead Osama, because many things can be deduced from the picture beyond the mere image itself.

    CHP should know better than to record anything which they don't want the public to know about.

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