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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Cops have to do a horribly difficult job, and deal with all sorts of people, and situations that other scrutinize in many cases without the relevant information. They are outnumbered, and deal with nearly every situation from a routine traffic stop, to a full blown armed felon fleeing...And in far too many cases are jaded pretty quickly by their job.
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    It was understood, if I machined the part, I was responsible for the result. Saying I'm sorry would not have been good enough for me not to face some type of disciplinary action, up to and including termination.

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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    What kind of ridiculous thing is this? The police may have problems, but shooting them? What kind of idiotic comment is this. Say fire them and start from scratch, there is absolutely no need to suggest mass murder because some police officers have issues in the way they are policing.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    No no.

    Her skin complexion didn't change when she was getting her face beat in, thus she was still a threat as an "Aggressive Nigger."

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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That isn't exactly what was claimed. She was initially being physically restrained for not only her safety, but the safety of those others driving on the freeway. She was walking on the side of the freeway and had already crossed lines of traffic on the onramp to reach the freeway shoulder, where she obviously appeared to plan to walk on, if not to actually go onto the freeway itself. The officer grabbed her to keep her off the freeway. She started fighting back.

    I can't say whether the punching was excessive or not, especially given that she received no injuries from them, according to the hospital report, so apparently the officer either a) didn't get many if any to actually connect or b) he was pulling those punches to a high degree. But she was resisting him, even after the punches stopped. That isn't necessarily enough to justify the amount of punches, but it is a possible reason for them.
    I'm not sure how this lady didn't receive injuries from this assault. In fact, I'm amazed. As far as the resistance she put up- certainly not enough to justify this attack. If anything, imo it looked like a feeble attempt at self defense. I don't understand why a man, trained as a police officer, would need to physically attack a woman like that.

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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman[W:195]

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
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    I believe this officer went way overboard.
    Tazing causes more pain and injury, yet if he tazed her we wouldn't be talking about this because we wouldn't have the image of a big white dude landing blows ona Black woman. This is all about image and perception, so this story is more about us, the news consumer, than what happened on the side of the freeway.

    If I'm ever a cop I'll just taze the bitch and save myself the hassle.

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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    What? Do you mean most are good? In my own personal Latino experience most of em are pieces of ****. Are you white per chance or have some statistic? Just wondering, personal experience can be misleading.
    I used to train police officers in "continuance of force techniques" (which ironically would have applied here). These techniques allow an officer to start with minimal force and still take control of a subject, all without beating people in the face.

    Based on the officers I trained I'd say the problem is simple. It's the culture of most departments and the complete lack of discipline. You can't mix enormous amounts of authority with a lack in self discipline. It's a recipe for exactly what the OP shows.

    The above being a perfect example...

    If I'm ever a cop I'll just taze the bitch and save myself the hassle.
    When training police I used to see this attitude all the time....Anyone with this attitude should be prevented from being a police officer as it shows a complete lack of empathy and mental self discipline.

    Having said that....

    Underneath, most officers are generally good people, they just don't know how to handle their emotions. When in situations like this they loose control and the OP is the result.

    Am I letting the officer off the hook, NO WAY....I'm just saying that most people would fail in these situations because few people are trained to deal with the emotional stress that comes with being a police officer. Ultimately I blame the system and culture that has moved away from "protect and serve" the public and has increasingly militarized with the justification of protecting itself.

    Generally I would disagree that most officers are bad, but I think the way we police the public needs to change fundamentally.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    I used to train police officers in "continuance of force techniques" (which ironically would have applied here). These techniques allow an officer to start with minimal force and still take control of a subject, all without beating people in the face.

    Based on the officers I trained I'd say the problem is simple. It's the culture of most departments and the complete lack of discipline. You can't mix enormous amounts of authority with a lack in self discipline. It's a recipe for exactly what the OP shows.

    Underneath, these are generally good people, they just don't know how to handle their emotions. When in situations like this they loose control and the OP is the result.

    Am I letting the officer off the hook, NO WAY....I'm just saying that we would ALL fail in these situations because few people are trained to deal with the emotional stress that comes with being a police officer. Ultimately I blame the system and culture that has moved away from "protect and serve" the public and has increasingly militarized with the justification of protecting itself.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    When training police I used to see this attitude all the time....Anyone with this attitude should be prevented from being a police officer as it shows a complete lack of empathy and mental self discipline.
    Ahh, so the emphatic and disciplined thing to do, according to you, is beat the woman in the head like in the video. And you say you train police? I think you're the problem.

    No thanks, if she resists that much then I'll just taze her and cuff her.

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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman[W:195]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Tazing causes more pain and injury, yet if he tazed her we wouldn't be talking about this because we wouldn't have the image of a big white dude landing blows ona Black woman. This is all about image and perception, so this story is more about us, the news consumer, than what happened on the side of the freeway.

    If I'm ever a cop I'll just taze the bitch and save myself the hassle.
    Pain yes but not actual injury. That's not common.

    It also, used properly, disables them faster so that less damage is done to cop and suspect.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Driver records CHP officer punching woman[W:195]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Pain yes but not actual injury. That's not common.

    It also, used properly, disables them faster so that less damage is done to cop and suspect.
    So disabling a perp in a fast way which causes less injury is what csbrown calls "lacking empathy and mental self discipline". And he claims to train police....wow.

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