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    Religious Advocates Want Further Exemption after Religous Right Ruling

    Religious leaders want exemption from hiring LGBT people after Hobby Lobby ruling - Washington Times
    Following the recent Hobby Lobby ruling, a group of religious leaders wrote a letter to President Obama on Tuesday asking to be exempt from a pending executive order that would prohibit federal contractors from discriminating against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people in hiring practices, reported The Atlantic.

    “We are asking that an extension of protection for one group not come at the expense of faith communities whose religious identity and beliefs motivate them to serve those in need,” the letter says, according to The Atlantic.

    The letter comes after Monday’s Supreme Court ruling, known as Hobby Lobby, that closely held corporations are permitted a religious exemption from providing birth control as stipulated in the Affordable Care Act.

    The letters of the author are no strangers to the Obama administration, and some are even open supporters of the president. One of the letters signatories was Michael Wear, reported The Atlantic, who directed faith outreach for the White House in 2012, and two signers were members of Catholics for Obama and three are former members of the President’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

    Mr. Obama announced in June that his staff had drafted an executive order that would bar federal contractors from discriminating against LGBT people, though he has not signed such an order.

    “Without a robust religious exemption,” they letter stated, according to Talking Points Memo, “this expansion of hiring rights will come at an unreasonable cost to the common good, national unity and religious freedom.”

    The Hobby Lobby ruling was not specifically mentioned in the letter, according to reports.



    Actual letter in this source: Hobby Lobby Is Already Creating New Religious Demands on Obama - Molly Ball - The Atlantic
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    Re: Religious Advocates Want Further Exemption after Religous Right Ruling

    And so it begins.

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    Re: Religious Advocates Want Further Exemption after Religous Right Ruling

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    And so it begins.
    it is sad. And if the ruling has in fact set a dangerous precedent the contraceptive issues is the least of female concerns. The bible is very clear on the women's role - Does a male employer have a right to circumvent gender prejudice laws based on his religious right. The bible is very clear on many prohibitions. Where do religious rights start and where do they end?
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    Re: Religious Advocates Want Further Exemption after Religous Right Ruling

    I'm curious about something. In this day and age of online applications, and very impersonal processes for hiring people, I'd really be interested in knowing just how someone determines that a potential employee is gay or not. It's not like it's something that would normally be asked during the interview process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'm curious about something. In this day and age of online applications, and very impersonal processes for hiring people, I'd really be interested in knowing just how someone determines that a potential employee is gay or not. It's not like it's something that would normally be asked during the interview process.
    The judgment is primarily based on mannerisms. Homosexuals who do not fit the "Hollywood stereotype" would must likely fly under the radar, however homosexuals who are flamboyant - or otherwise feminine would suffer the most discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    The judgment is primarily based on mannerisms. Homosexuals who do not fit the "Hollywood stereotype" would must likely fly under the radar, however homosexuals who are flamboyant - or otherwise feminine would suffer the most discrimination.
    How would they prove that it was discrimination based on someone assuming they were gay, rather than a matter of not hiring due to qualifications or other business-related issues?
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    Re: Religious Advocates Want Further Exemption after Religous Right Ruling

    Wow, so people want the federal government to discriminate against homosexuals.

    Well, I want the federal government to discriminate against short people.
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    Re: Religious Advocates Want Further Exemption after Religous Right Ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    How would they prove that it was discrimination based on someone assuming they were gay, rather than a matter of not hiring due to qualifications or other business-related issues?
    I have no idea, it depends. I was answering you question on how a Employer could identify, in the most superficial way, a homosexual and then fire them or not hire them. At will employment allows the Employer to claim any other reason other than the actual reason for terminating an employment. So as usual making a claim of discrimination requires extraordinary proof in this instance. If the Employer is constantly making homophobic slurs and otherwise characterizing himself as someone who vehemently despises homosexuals then that would be one way to establish a prejudice in the decision to terminate employment.
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