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    Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Yahoo News - via AP

    WASHINGTON (AP) President Barack Obama plans to highlight a positive side of the immigration debate by presiding over an Independence Day citizenship ceremony for service members who signed up to defend the U.S. even though they weren't American citizens. A total of 25 members of the Armed Forces will spend the Fourth of July as American citizens after the deputy secretary for homeland security delivers the oath of allegiance at a White House ceremony on Friday. The group includes 15 active-duty service members from the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, along with two veterans, one reservist and seven spouses, the White House said. They represent 15 countries.


    The politically divisive immigration issue is earning renewed attention after the influx of tens of thousands of unaccompanied children from Central America who, under U.S. law, must be sent back across the border to their home countries. That has upset advocates of overhauling U.S. immigration policy who want Obama to allow the children to stay.

    At the same time, Obama blames House Republicans for delaying action on an immigration overhaul. A comprehensive measure the Senate passed last year has been blocked by House leaders who also have done little to advance legislative proposals of their own. Obama announced earlier this week that, as a result of lawmakers' inaction, he will pursue non-legislative ways that he can adjust U.S. immigration policy without waiting for Congress to act.

    Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony


    The President cannot legally legislate without the cooperation of Congress (both houses). The question becomes why isn't the President attempting to bring the parties together on this issue? Immigration reform is widely accepted in both GOP and Democratic circles as requiring a comprehensive overhaul, yet Congress and the President seem to be caught up in petty "tit for tat" actions such as the Senate holding legislation from being brought to the floor which passed the House, and the House holding legislation passed by the Senate doing the same thing. The President has an opportunity to compromise and work with both, be the adult in the room, but chooses instead to go off on his own without Congress. The SCOTUS has shown that such actions have consequences and may be over turned in the future. By not working with Congress and negotiating a compromise the President furthers the political divide - the question is, to what end?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Well we knew he would Ockham. Its been leading up to this. First MO.....then Valerie Jarrett, Reid, and Pelosi. Maybe he should take up what Perry is saying. Which you have seen I said the same, with talking to Mexico and turning off the tap on their Southern Border.


    WH: Obama Won't Visit Border While Attending Three TX Fundraisers Next Week


    President Barack Obama will attend three fundraisers in Texas next week but will not travel to the border to see the crisis that many say he has exacerbated by not enforcing the country's immigration laws and vowing to enact unilaterally more executive actions to ease deportations. White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said at Thursday's White House press briefing that Obama is scheduled to attend a fundraiser for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in Dallas on Wednesday and two events for the Democratic National Committee in Austin on Wednesday and Thursday.

    When pressed about Obama's decision not to go to the border and the military bases and detention centers where illegal immigrant children are being warehoused, Earnest said Obama has all the information that he needs from his senior advisors. Earnest said Obama wants "regular reports about what theyre seeing on the border and how resources that are being devoted to processing those who have appeared at the border are being used to effectively administrate justice" and is "well aware of that process and how its going."

    Texas Governor Rick Perry recently urged Obama to travel to the border. And at a House Homeland Security Committee Field Hearing at McAllen, Texas on Thursday, Perry also said Obama should use diplomacy to convince Mexico to secure its southern border with Guatemala -- if Obama cared about the issue.....snip~

    WH: Obama Won't Visit Border While Attending Three TX Fundraisers Next Week

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony


    The President cannot legally legislate without the cooperation of Congress (both houses). The question becomes why isn't the President attempting to bring the parties together on this issue? Immigration reform is widely accepted in both GOP and Democratic circles as requiring a comprehensive overhaul, yet Congress and the President seem to be caught up in petty "tit for tat" actions such as the Senate holding legislation from being brought to the floor which passed the House, and the House holding legislation passed by the Senate doing the same thing. The President has an opportunity to compromise and work with both, be the adult in the room, but chooses instead to go off on his own without Congress. The SCOTUS has shown that such actions have consequences and may be over turned in the future. By not working with Congress and negotiating a compromise the President furthers the political divide - the question is, to what end?
    From your link:

    The politically divisive immigration issue is earning renewed attention after the influx of tens of thousands of unaccompanied children from Central America who, under U.S. law, must be sent back across the border to their home countries.
    From USA Today

    As part of an effort to stem the flood of children caught trying to cross the nation's southwest border, President Obama is trying to change a 2008 law that dictates how the federal government handles those immigrant children in order to speed up their deportations.

    Under that law, most of the unaccompanied minors being caught by Border Patrol agents must be handed over to the Department of Health and Human Services, which coordinates care for them, finds them safe housing and helps advise them on their legal rights as their immigration cases are decided. The president is now asking Congress to amend the law in a way that would allow Border Patrol agents to render a deportation decision themselves and quickly deport the children back to their home country.
    Seems like a bit of a conflict there.

    Anyway, Obama is supporting legal immigration by attending the citizenship ceremony, which has nothing at all to do with the humanitarian crisis stemming from violence in Central America and the 2008 law that Obama wants overturned.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    From your link:



    From USA Today



    Seems like a bit of a conflict there.
    Funny since USA Today regularly uses AP sourced stories. I'm not seeing the conflict though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Anyway, Obama is supporting legal immigration by attending the citizenship ceremony, which has nothing at all to do with the humanitarian crisis stemming from violence in Central America and the 2008 law that Obama wants overturned.
    First, if you have an advanced copy of his speech please link it.

    Second, please cite empirical evidence that the influx is directly linked to violence in Central America.

    Third, can you be more specific about the 2008 law - what's the laws name and when was it passed, by who, etc.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Funny since USA Today regularly uses AP sourced stories. I'm not seeing the conflict though.



    First, if you have an advanced copy of his speech please link it.

    Second, please cite empirical evidence that the influx is directly linked to violence in Central America.

    Third, can you be more specific about the 2008 law - what's the laws name and when was it passed, by who, etc.
    Here you go, from CNN:

    (CNN) -- He's still a teenager, but Wilfredo Vasquez has already seen plenty in his life.
    His story begins in Anamoros, a city in southeastern El Salvador. At 16, alone, living in poverty, threatened by violent gangs in his neighborhood and practically abandoned by his parents, Vasquez decided to leave everything behind and migrate to the United States.
    I really didn't think there was any doubt or controversy over the link between violence in Central America and children coming to the USA from that area. Did you have a competing hypothesis?

    and as to the law (same source):

    The law, officially known as Special Immigrant Juvenile Status, was first enacted by Congress in 1990. In 2008, that law was expanded and reauthorized under new legislation.
    From the link within the link:

    Special Immigrant Juveniles (SIJ) Status

    The purpose of the SIJ program is to help foreign children in the United States who have been abused, abandoned, or neglected.

    Certain children who are unable to be reunited with a parent can get a green card as a SIJ
    Children who get a green card through the SIJ program can live and work permanently in the United States
    The law does not say that the illegal unaccompanied minors must be deported, quite the opposite.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Here you go, from CNN:



    I really didn't think there was any doubt or controversy over the link between violence in Central America and children coming to the USA from that area. Did you have a competing hypothesis?

    and as to the law (same source):



    From the link within the link:

    Special Immigrant Juveniles (SIJ) Status



    The law does not say that the illegal unaccompanied minors must be deported, quite the opposite.
    The passing of immigration "reform" that allows all foreign minors that have been "abused" in their home country to receive instant immigration approval is insane. All of this talk of "comprehensive" immigration reform "packages" limits the passage of any single change that is acceptable to both parties (the House and Senate) since each party wants to attach the "good parts" to those that the other party objects to.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The passing of immigration "reform" that allows all foreign minors that have been "abused" in their home country to receive instant immigration approval is insane. All of this talk of "comprehensive" immigration reform "packages" limits the passage of any single change that is acceptable to both parties (the House and Senate) since each party wants to attach the "good parts" to those that the other party objects to.
    You and I and Barack Obama seem to be in agreement on this issue. Next, pigs will fly and Hell will freeze, just wait and see.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Here you go, from CNN:

    I really didn't think there was any doubt or controversy over the link between violence in Central America and children coming to the USA from that area. Did you have a competing hypothesis?
    Can you provide the CNN link? There's no link.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and as to the law (same source):


    From the link within the link:

    Special Immigrant Juveniles (SIJ) Status

    The law does not say that the illegal unaccompanied minors must be deported, quite the opposite.
    The law doesn't address illegal unaccompanied minors at all, in fact it requires an application of I-360 for SIJ status and a court to verify and approve it. Who's doing that for these tens of thousands of people? How does an unaccompanied child fill out the form and prove:
    Abuse
    Abandonment
    Neglect
    Similar reason under state law

    And which state law since these kids are being shipped all over, Boston, CA, etc.


    It's a nice cover sound bite but once you dig into it, this doesn't make sense at all.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    From your link:



    From USA Today



    Seems like a bit of a conflict there.

    Anyway, Obama is supporting legal immigration by attending the citizenship ceremony, which has nothing at all to do with the humanitarian crisis stemming from violence in Central America and the 2008 law that Obama wants overturned.

    LOL !

    You can't be this naive.

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !

    You can't be this naive.
    Sorry, but there is a difference between naivete and accepting facts that don't jibe with someone's world view.
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