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Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

Dittohead not! said:
Sorry, but there is a difference between naivete and accepting facts that don't jibe with someone's world view.
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Lets see you attributed the recent mass of ILLEGAL immigrants to " violence " and a 2008 law ?

Yes, thats naive ( if you believe it ).

A while back this same thing happened with Columbian immigrants.

The word got out that if they arrived thet were given asylum.

You know how we stopped it ?

We sent them back almost immediately.

It stopped overnight.
 
clownboy said:
And that means precisely nothing to this discussion. The affairs of those nations are up to them and their people. It is not the job of our POTUS to import their problems here, nor is it his job to make those who come/stay here illegally welcome.
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The affairs of those countries are affecting the United States right now.
 
Fenton said:
Lets see you attributed the recent mass of ILLEGAL immigrants to " violence " and a 2008 law ?

Yes, thats naive ( if you believe it ).

A while back this same thing happened with Columbian immigrants.

The word got out that if they arrived thet were given asylum.

You know how we stopped it ?

We sent them back almost immediately.

It stopped overnight.
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Good for us.
Were they unaccompanied minors?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Good for us.
Were they unaccompanied minors?
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Irrelevant.

You actually believe 10s of thousands of illegal immigrant minors coordinated a mass exodus out of multiple thid world Countries on their own ?

You think its all coincidencental ?
 
Dittohead not! said:
The chaos described is precisely the reason why we have a humanitarian crisis on our border. No one sent out invitations. Desperate people only thought that there might be a solution to their problems because of a law passed by the past administration.

You make it sound as if the POTUS went and got them and brought them here.
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There will always be a disparity between the South American nations and the US. People want to come here, some are willing to do it illegally. That's always going to be a fact of life. The POTUS has a job to do ensuring those illegals do not make it here and the ones that do are sent home. This POTUS fails miserably in that. His actions have made illegals welcome here, sent the message that they will be allowed to stay if their stories are compelling, desperate enough.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Well, you really have to dig, all the way into the first paragraph, to wit:



Foreign children, i.e., children who were born somewhere else.
Unable to get a green care, i.e., illegals
reunited with a parent, i.e., unaccompanied, at least by a parent. Of course, the coyote might have tagged along, or not.
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You're assuming that means what you want it to mean. I don't read it that way and I'm sure others wont as well.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Obama has no control over the gang violence occurring in El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala. Chaos in those countries has forced a lot of families to make difficult choices.
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What does this have to do with BO's EO's in 2010 and 2012?

Do you think him sending 40 Mil so that they can police their own region. Will make any difference other than to throw away money.....that's not his and we don't have?
 
Fenton said:
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Irrelevant.

You actually believe 10s of thousands of illegal immigrant minors coordinated a mass exodus out of multiple thid world Countries on their own ?

You think its all coincidencental ?
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Oh, no, obviously it's a conspiracy of some sort (glances around suspiciously)
 
Dittohead not! said:
I don't think they would have increased like this without the law passed back in '00 and renewed in '08 that I've already cited, the law that BO says he opposes and wants changed. It wouldn't have increased as much without the rumor of the "permiso" that it spawned, the rumor that appears to be actually true.

Had the Border Patrol had the authority to simply escort the unaccompanied minors back home, it would have sent a clear message that the minors would not be allowed to stay, and a lot fewer would have come.

I'm not sure just what executive order you're referring to.
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Heya DH.....one that said he would allow some to stay before 2007 that were kids and would be given Student Visa's and Work Programs.
 
clownboy said:
There will always be a disparity between the South American nations and the US. People want to come here, some are willing to do it illegally. That's always going to be a fact of life. The POTUS has a job to do ensuring those illegals do not make it here and the ones that do are sent home. This POTUS fails miserably in that. His actions have made illegals welcome here, sent the message that they will be allowed to stay if their stories are compelling, desperate enough.
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Which actions are those?
Opposing the law that allows them to stay?
Rounding them up and putting them in limos headed for the border?
What?
 
MMC said:
Heya DH.....one that said he would allow some to stay before 2007 that were kids and would be given Student Visa's and Work Programs.
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Are you referring to the Dream Act for people whose parents brought them to the USA years ago as small children?

I really don't see how that is relevant to the situation at hand.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Are you referring to the Dream Act for people whose parents brought them to the USA years ago as small children?

I really don't see how that is relevant to the situation at hand.
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No.....I am referring to his EO in 2012 not 2010 with the Dream Act.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Which actions are those?
Opposing the law that allows them to stay?
Rounding them up and putting them in limos headed for the border?
What?
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The release policy is all on him. The DREAM stuff, on him. Admin and policy of agencies and borders, all on him.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Are you referring to the Dream Act for people whose parents brought them to the USA years ago as small children?

I really don't see how that is relevant to the situation at hand.
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It's precisely what we all knew would happen, you open the door, even a crack, and it becomes a way in.
 
Ockham said:
The President cannot legally legislate without the cooperation of Congress (both houses). The question becomes why isn't the President attempting to bring the parties together on this issue?
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That's an easy question to answer, Obama isn't a leader but a community organiser.

Community organisers agitate, they cause problems in urban America, that's what they do.
 
clownboy said:
It's precisely what we all knew would happen, you open the door, even a crack, and it becomes a way in.
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Yes, that's the way it seems to work. It proved to be the case when amnesty was passed three or so decades ago. It was the case when the law allowing unattended minors was passed six or so years ago.

But, none of this is new, none of it was unexpected or should have been. The fact of the matter is that illegal immigration has been ignored for a very long time by both parties. The "permiso" rumor was based on fact, the kids are being allowed to stay, there aren't enough courts to possibly take all of their cases, and they're here. Now what?

I know! Let's make another absurd partisan crapfling out of it! Yeah, that's it!
 
Dittohead not! said:
Yes, that's the way it seems to work. It proved to be the case when amnesty was passed three or so decades ago. It was the case when the law allowing unattended minors was passed six or so years ago.

But, none of this is new, none of it was unexpected or should have been. The fact of the matter is that illegal immigration has been ignored for a very long time by both parties. The "permiso" rumor was based on fact, the kids are being allowed to stay, there aren't enough courts to possibly take all of their cases, and they're here. Now what?

I know! Let's make another absurd partisan crapfling out of it! Yeah, that's it!
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How about we throw some sanctions at Mexico.....for being an enabler and helping to create more of a problem than what should be?
 
MMC said:
How about we throw some sanctions at Mexico.....for being an enabler and helping to create more of a problem than what should be?
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Now that'd be some economic leverage to stem the child invasion that Obama caused. Should also include all the other Central American nations that are sending their children North.
 
eohrnberger said:
Now that'd be some economic leverage to stem the child invasion that Obama caused. Should also include all the other Central American nations that are sending their children North.
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School will be starting again soon. Most of them don't speak English. School districts are already strapped for cash due to so many jobless. Who is going to pay for teaching them English, and getting the vaccinations that every child must have before they enter school. If I had children in the school system, wherever they are being relocated to, I certainly would not want my children sitting next to children who are sick. And who is going to be responsible for those who have lice crawling in their hair due to poor hygiene? The nurses in the detention areas in Texas have had to cope with this and worse. Is this going to be a normal thing from now on? Please understand that I do not blame the children - I blame the idiots that have brought these problems to our communities! PERIOD!

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:
 
eohrnberger said:
Now that'd be some economic leverage to stem the child invasion that Obama caused. Should also include all the other Central American nations that are sending their children North.
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Yeah not even Bush got tuff with Mexico. Yet all this migrations stems from their Southern Border. We should slap Mexico with some economic sanctions. I think that would get their attention and let them know. If you are going to let people trapse thru your country. Then you are responsible for them.
 
polgara said:
School will be starting again soon. Most of them don't speak English. School districts are already strapped for cash due to so many jobless. Who is going to pay for teaching them English, and getting the vaccinations that every child must have before they enter school. If I had children in the school system, wherever they are being relocated to, I certainly would not want my children sitting next to children who are sick. And who is going to be responsible for those who have lice crawling in their hair due to poor hygiene? The nurses in the detention areas in Texas have had to cope with this and worse. Is this going to be a normal thing from now on? Please understand that I do not blame the children - I blame the idiots that have brought these problems to our communities! PERIOD!

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:
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Greetings Polgara! :2wave:

Well you and me and everyone else is going to pay for it (as if you didn't already know). It's another case of A spending B's money for C's benefit (which makes something rotten in Denmark). Marginally OK if everyone, or most, agree with the spending, but that's not what I hear.

MMC said:
Yeah not even Bush got tuff with Mexico. Yet all this migrations stems from their Southern Border. We should slap Mexico with some economic sanctions. I think that would get their attention and let them know. If you are going to let people trapse thru your country. Then you are responsible for them.
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True, and yeah, I don't see it happening either, but would seem to be the only way to stem the child invasion across the Southern border.
 
Dittohead not! said:
the courts have, and that's all that counts.
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What courts have seen it that way? If you have a link to a recent court case in 2014 with some of these children coming from South America I'd like to see it.
 
polgara said:
School will be starting again soon. Most of them don't speak English. School districts are already strapped for cash due to so many jobless. Who is going to pay for teaching them English, and getting the vaccinations that every child must have before they enter school. If I had children in the school system, wherever they are being relocated to, I certainly would not want my children sitting next to children who are sick. And who is going to be responsible for those who have lice crawling in their hair due to poor hygiene? The nurses in the detention areas in Texas have had to cope with this and worse. Is this going to be a normal thing from now on? Please understand that I do not blame the children - I blame the idiots that have brought these problems to our communities! PERIOD!

Greetings, Erik. :2wave:
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Who will pay for it? Why the same people who paid when we had the last surge of illegals, back in '85, that's who.

And the challenge to the schools goes way beyond getting rid of lice and paying for immunizations. It includes not just teaching them English, but starting with basic literacy for teens who haven't had the opportunity to go to school.

And that's not the half of it. While some of these kids will grab the opportunity to learn and have a better life, not all of them want to be here. Some of them are already steeped in the gang culture.

So, there's a big challenge waiting for us. What should we do?


I know! Let's run in circles and start pointing fingers of blame. That works every time.
 
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