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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Are you referring to the Dream Act for people whose parents brought them to the USA years ago as small children?

    I really don't see how that is relevant to the situation at hand.
    It's precisely what we all knew would happen, you open the door, even a crack, and it becomes a way in.

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The President cannot legally legislate without the cooperation of Congress (both houses). The question becomes why isn't the President attempting to bring the parties together on this issue?
    That's an easy question to answer, Obama isn't a leader but a community organiser.

    Community organisers agitate, they cause problems in urban America, that's what they do.

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's precisely what we all knew would happen, you open the door, even a crack, and it becomes a way in.
    Yes, that's the way it seems to work. It proved to be the case when amnesty was passed three or so decades ago. It was the case when the law allowing unattended minors was passed six or so years ago.

    But, none of this is new, none of it was unexpected or should have been. The fact of the matter is that illegal immigration has been ignored for a very long time by both parties. The "permiso" rumor was based on fact, the kids are being allowed to stay, there aren't enough courts to possibly take all of their cases, and they're here. Now what?

    I know! Let's make another absurd partisan crapfling out of it! Yeah, that's it!
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, that's the way it seems to work. It proved to be the case when amnesty was passed three or so decades ago. It was the case when the law allowing unattended minors was passed six or so years ago.

    But, none of this is new, none of it was unexpected or should have been. The fact of the matter is that illegal immigration has been ignored for a very long time by both parties. The "permiso" rumor was based on fact, the kids are being allowed to stay, there aren't enough courts to possibly take all of their cases, and they're here. Now what?

    I know! Let's make another absurd partisan crapfling out of it! Yeah, that's it!


    How about we throw some sanctions at Mexico.....for being an enabler and helping to create more of a problem than what should be?

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How about we throw some sanctions at Mexico.....for being an enabler and helping to create more of a problem than what should be?
    Now that'd be some economic leverage to stem the child invasion that Obama caused. Should also include all the other Central American nations that are sending their children North.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Now that'd be some economic leverage to stem the child invasion that Obama caused. Should also include all the other Central American nations that are sending their children North.
    School will be starting again soon. Most of them don't speak English. School districts are already strapped for cash due to so many jobless. Who is going to pay for teaching them English, and getting the vaccinations that every child must have before they enter school. If I had children in the school system, wherever they are being relocated to, I certainly would not want my children sitting next to children who are sick. And who is going to be responsible for those who have lice crawling in their hair due to poor hygiene? The nurses in the detention areas in Texas have had to cope with this and worse. Is this going to be a normal thing from now on? Please understand that I do not blame the children - I blame the idiots that have brought these problems to our communities! PERIOD!

    Greetings, Erik.

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Now that'd be some economic leverage to stem the child invasion that Obama caused. Should also include all the other Central American nations that are sending their children North.
    Yeah not even Bush got tuff with Mexico. Yet all this migrations stems from their Southern Border. We should slap Mexico with some economic sanctions. I think that would get their attention and let them know. If you are going to let people trapse thru your country. Then you are responsible for them.

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    School will be starting again soon. Most of them don't speak English. School districts are already strapped for cash due to so many jobless. Who is going to pay for teaching them English, and getting the vaccinations that every child must have before they enter school. If I had children in the school system, wherever they are being relocated to, I certainly would not want my children sitting next to children who are sick. And who is going to be responsible for those who have lice crawling in their hair due to poor hygiene? The nurses in the detention areas in Texas have had to cope with this and worse. Is this going to be a normal thing from now on? Please understand that I do not blame the children - I blame the idiots that have brought these problems to our communities! PERIOD!

    Greetings, Erik.
    Greetings Polgara!

    Well you and me and everyone else is going to pay for it (as if you didn't already know). It's another case of A spending B's money for C's benefit (which makes something rotten in Denmark). Marginally OK if everyone, or most, agree with the spending, but that's not what I hear.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah not even Bush got tuff with Mexico. Yet all this migrations stems from their Southern Border. We should slap Mexico with some economic sanctions. I think that would get their attention and let them know. If you are going to let people trapse thru your country. Then you are responsible for them.
    True, and yeah, I don't see it happening either, but would seem to be the only way to stem the child invasion across the Southern border.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    the courts have, and that's all that counts.
    What courts have seen it that way? If you have a link to a recent court case in 2014 with some of these children coming from South America I'd like to see it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    School will be starting again soon. Most of them don't speak English. School districts are already strapped for cash due to so many jobless. Who is going to pay for teaching them English, and getting the vaccinations that every child must have before they enter school. If I had children in the school system, wherever they are being relocated to, I certainly would not want my children sitting next to children who are sick. And who is going to be responsible for those who have lice crawling in their hair due to poor hygiene? The nurses in the detention areas in Texas have had to cope with this and worse. Is this going to be a normal thing from now on? Please understand that I do not blame the children - I blame the idiots that have brought these problems to our communities! PERIOD!

    Greetings, Erik.
    Who will pay for it? Why the same people who paid when we had the last surge of illegals, back in '85, that's who.

    And the challenge to the schools goes way beyond getting rid of lice and paying for immunizations. It includes not just teaching them English, but starting with basic literacy for teens who haven't had the opportunity to go to school.

    And that's not the half of it. While some of these kids will grab the opportunity to learn and have a better life, not all of them want to be here. Some of them are already steeped in the gang culture.

    So, there's a big challenge waiting for us. What should we do?


    I know! Let's run in circles and start pointing fingers of blame. That works every time.
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