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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Obama has no control over the gang violence occurring in El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala. Chaos in those countries has forced a lot of families to make difficult choices.
    You're right, the people in those countries are the ones that can control that and they should stay and do so. His job is to ensure their problems aren't exported to here. He needs to stop hanging out the banner welcoming them to do so.

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Do you think the numbers would have increased like this without BO's EO? Why didn't BO say anything last year when the numbers doubled? Why didn't the MS Media?
    I don't think they would have increased like this without the law passed back in '00 and renewed in '08 that I've already cited, the law that BO says he opposes and wants changed. It wouldn't have increased as much without the rumor of the "permiso" that it spawned, the rumor that appears to be actually true.

    Had the Border Patrol had the authority to simply escort the unaccompanied minors back home, it would have sent a clear message that the minors would not be allowed to stay, and a lot fewer would have come.

    I'm not sure just what executive order you're referring to.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're right, the people in those countries are the ones that can control that and they should stay and do so. His job is to ensure their problems aren't exported to here. He needs to stop hanging out the banner welcoming them to do so.
    I don't think you registered the importance the word 'chaos' with regards to what is happening in these Central American countries. The governments of those countries cannot control the situation because they are crippled by corruption. The gangs and cartels are creating the situation.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I don't think you registered the importance the word 'chaos' with regards to what is happening in these Central American countries. The governments of those countries cannot control the situation because they are crippled by corruption. The gangs and cartels are creating the situation.

    And that means precisely nothing to this discussion. The affairs of those nations are up to them and their people. It is not the job of our POTUS to import their problems here, nor is it his job to make those who come/stay here illegally welcome.

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And that means precisely nothing to this discussion. The affairs of those nations are up to them and their people. It is not the job of our POTUS to import their problems here, nor is it his job to make those who come/stay here illegally welcome.
    The chaos described is precisely the reason why we have a humanitarian crisis on our border. No one sent out invitations. Desperate people only thought that there might be a solution to their problems because of a law passed by the past administration.

    You make it sound as if the POTUS went and got them and brought them here.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sorry, but there is a difference between naivete and accepting facts that don't jibe with someone's world view.
    Lets see you attributed the recent mass of ILLEGAL immigrants to " violence " and a 2008 law ?

    Yes, thats naive ( if you believe it ).

    A while back this same thing happened with Columbian immigrants.

    The word got out that if they arrived thet were given asylum.

    You know how we stopped it ?

    We sent them back almost immediately.

    It stopped overnight.

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And that means precisely nothing to this discussion. The affairs of those nations are up to them and their people. It is not the job of our POTUS to import their problems here, nor is it his job to make those who come/stay here illegally welcome.
    The affairs of those countries are affecting the United States right now.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lets see you attributed the recent mass of ILLEGAL immigrants to " violence " and a 2008 law ?

    Yes, thats naive ( if you believe it ).

    A while back this same thing happened with Columbian immigrants.

    The word got out that if they arrived thet were given asylum.

    You know how we stopped it ?

    We sent them back almost immediately.

    It stopped overnight.
    Good for us.
    Were they unaccompanied minors?
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Good for us.
    Were they unaccompanied minors?

    ?

    Irrelevant.

    You actually believe 10s of thousands of illegal immigrant minors coordinated a mass exodus out of multiple thid world Countries on their own ?

    You think its all coincidencental ?

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The chaos described is precisely the reason why we have a humanitarian crisis on our border. No one sent out invitations. Desperate people only thought that there might be a solution to their problems because of a law passed by the past administration.

    You make it sound as if the POTUS went and got them and brought them here.
    There will always be a disparity between the South American nations and the US. People want to come here, some are willing to do it illegally. That's always going to be a fact of life. The POTUS has a job to do ensuring those illegals do not make it here and the ones that do are sent home. This POTUS fails miserably in that. His actions have made illegals welcome here, sent the message that they will be allowed to stay if their stories are compelling, desperate enough.

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