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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Sorry, but there is a difference between naivete and accepting facts that don't jibe with someone's world view.
    Once you get beyond the talking points, the facts and the laws don't line up with what's being done.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Can you provide the CNN link? There's no link.



    The law doesn't address illegal unaccompanied minors at all, in fact it requires an application of I-360 for SIJ status and a court to verify and approve it. Who's doing that for these tens of thousands of people? How does an unaccompanied child fill out the form and prove:
    Abuse
    Abandonment
    Neglect
    Similar reason under state law

    And which state law since these kids are being shipped all over, Boston, CA, etc.


    It's a nice cover sound bite but once you dig into it, this doesn't make sense at all.
    It's a federal law, not a state law, and the effect is to take the determination of whether to deport unaccompanied minors out of the hands of the border patrol and put it in an overwhelmed court system that can't possible hear all of the applications for asylum.

    link to CNN story
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Once you get beyond the talking points, the facts and the laws don't line up with what's being done.
    Once you get beyond the talking points, the humanitarian crisis on our border no longer looks like a simple, black and white, Democrat vs Republican sort of an issue at all. It's getting beyond the partisan talking points that is difficult.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

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    Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony


    The President cannot legally legislate without the cooperation of Congress (both houses). The question becomes why isn't the President attempting to bring the parties together on this issue? Immigration reform is widely accepted in both GOP and Democratic circles as requiring a comprehensive overhaul, yet Congress and the President seem to be caught up in petty "tit for tat" actions such as the Senate holding legislation from being brought to the floor which passed the House, and the House holding legislation passed by the Senate doing the same thing. The President has an opportunity to compromise and work with both, be the adult in the room, but chooses instead to go off on his own without Congress. The SCOTUS has shown that such actions have consequences and may be over turned in the future. By not working with Congress and negotiating a compromise the President furthers the political divide - the question is, to what end?
    I am shocked they let non citizens into the armed services and put guns in their hands.

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's a federal law, not a state law, and the effect is to take the determination of whether to deport unaccompanied minors out of the hands of the border patrol and put it in an overwhelmed court system that can't possible hear all of the applications for asylum.
    The law you cited with the link does not single out unaccompanied minors. I'm not seeing the relevance. Can you point me in the law you linked what exactly applies to unaccompanied minors?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Thanks for the link.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I am shocked they let non citizens into the armed services and put guns in their hands.
    The Armed forces has done that for decades... longer even.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    As much as I sympathize with poor people running from a life of poverty, increasing Cartel crime and violence, it's not fair to our citizens to support and integrate such a large body of illegals.

    So far, I agree with the President for upholding our laws, though more could be done to secure the borders. But if he tries to use an executive order to allow illegal immigrants to stay, then I would be hotly against this.

    It's obvious too me that the large Latino voting block is what both sides are trying not to alienate. That and much of the western cheap labor, costs of a fix, illegal deportation are some of the reasons our legislators won't tackle this problem.

    It's not realistic for us to deport the millions of undocumented immigrants that have already established themselves within society, but we can deport what's currently being held and better secure the Mexican border.

    Our gov't and leadership half assed the ME, the 2008 finanical crisis and now the border... it seems to be the political MO to try and placate everyone and fix nothing.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The law you cited with the link does not single out unaccompanied minors. I'm not seeing the relevance. Can you point me in the law you linked what exactly applies to unaccompanied minors?




    Thanks for the link.
    Well, you really have to dig, all the way into the first paragraph, to wit:

    The purpose of the SIJ program is to help foreign children in the United States who have been abused, abandoned, or neglected.

    Certain children who are unable to be reunited with a parent can get a green card as a SIJ
    Children who get a green card through the SIJ program can live and work permanently in the United States
    Foreign children, i.e., children who were born somewhere else.
    Unable to get a green care, i.e., illegals
    reunited with a parent, i.e., unaccompanied, at least by a parent. Of course, the coyote might have tagged along, or not.
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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Once you get beyond the talking points, the humanitarian crisis on our border no longer looks like a simple, black and white, Democrat vs Republican sort of an issue at all. It's getting beyond the partisan talking points that is difficult.

    Do you think the numbers would have increased like this without BO's EO? Why didn't BO say anything last year when the numbers doubled? Why didn't the MS Media?

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    Re: Obama to pitch immigration at citizenship ceremony

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Do you think the numbers would have increased like this without BO's EO? Why didn't BO say anything last year when the numbers doubled? Why didn't the MS Media?
    Obama has no control over the gang violence occurring in El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala. Chaos in those countries has forced a lot of families to make difficult choices.
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