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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Then we differ in opinion, but destroying the history of borrowers for 7 years because they needed to care of themselves seems amoral to me. But, that's an opinion (and economically if we could get rid of it, it would indeed be beneficial to be rid of most of the near 1/5ths of bankruptcies. Especially when they're unnecessary.)
    so you think people shouldn't be responsible for their debts?
    or what they owe?

    i know that the majority of hospitals will setup payment plans and work with people in order to be paid because it costs more to not get paid.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    so you think people shouldn't be responsible for their debts?
    or what they owe?

    i know that the majority of hospitals will setup payment plans and work with people in order to be paid because it costs more to not get paid.
    Well, in actuality they just pass the cost of non-payers to people insured, which increases the cost of insurance premiums.

    You know my opinion on the medical system.

    When did I say "so you think people shouldn't be responsible for their debts?
    or what they owe?"

    Let's try and steer away from subreption, if you wouldn't mind.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    While I find the VA needing reform immensely, I still hold that it in no way adduces toward the disprovement of the efficient administration of Universal Healthcare. The simple fact of the matter is that UHC has and is continuing to work, albeit with a lag to adjust for longer life times and associated increased in need for access and medical costs, and I don't see how one corrupt organization can act as a proper reason to put down all the systems.

    "The VA was given responsibility not only for health care—which was extended to include outpatient and psychiatric services, substance abuse treatment, and care for non-service related illnesses—but also for all other veterans affairs. Additional legislation passed after World War II even contained measures such as unemployment compensation and educational allowances.

    While the VA’s budget, payroll, and number of facilities expanded rapidly to become “by far the most extensive [medical program] in the country,” its standard of care stagnated, and complaints of inefficiency and negligence mounted. A 1949 commission “uncovered a staggering amount of waste,” a result of the highly political nature of the VA’s health care system."

    Veteran's Administration: Case Study in Government Inefficiency - Patriot UpdatePatriot Update

    KEVIN McCARTHY: Holding the VA accountable for a culture of inefficiency - Kevin McCarthy for Congress

    "Veterans currently must wait until they have been denied benefits before they are allowed to pay an attorney to assist them. I assume this is because VA claims their system is non-adversarial, and there is a presumption that attorneys are taking advantage of veterans. Veterans are left to fend for themselves or to use a Veterans Service Organization. The VSOs are a wonderful resource, but they cannot do what an attorney, even a mediocre one, could do for the veteran. They represent way too many veterans to allow any real consideration of each individual claim."

    The real causes of inefficiency in the VA claims process | Law Update | Veterans Claims Law - Attorney Shana Dunn


    It seems that we are in agreement that the VA is poorly run, racked by corruption and providing problems to to many veterans.

    I would prefer to see at least the hospital part of it shut down and give the veterans whatever they need in the way on insurance to get their care throughout the private sector.

    Of this is going to be less helpful to them as Obamacare becomes the law of the land.

    With all of the expertise demonstrated by the obama administration in every part of every effort they make, what could possibly go wrong?
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Bolded: In terms of UHC, it would go down by likely 40%, at the minimum per capita. In terms of ACA? No clue.

    Underlined: I know they don't give a ****. Why do you think I'm a Socialist? Why do you think I believe in a Very, Very, Very Liberal interpretation of the 1st and more importantly 2nd Amendments? Because one day these Politicians will need to pay for their iniquities. I don't trust ACA, if we want an insurance system we should mirror the German model but otherwise I support UHC near unamiously.



    You don't trust government and you are a Socialist? Socialism demands government control of everything to assure that everything is in accord with the fairness they define.

    Believing that the governing elite are corrupt and wanting them to have more power makes no sense to me.

    If you don't trust government, you should be a Libertarian.

    A very Liberal interpretation of the First Amendment allows for very wide interpretation of what it means. A very conservative interpretation allows only for exactly what it says. The four most beautiful words in the English language are: "Congress shall make no law…"

    A very liberal interpretation would have us all gagged and in chains before noon tomorrow if Obama could get Holder organized enough to do it. Oh, and we'd also be forced to watch only those television shows that are approved. We'd see a lot of commentators that get a tickle up their leg when they think about Obama.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    You don't trust government and you are a Socialist? Socialism demands government control of everything to assure that everything is in accord with the fairness they define.

    Believing that the governing elite are corrupt and wanting them to have more power makes no sense to me.

    If you don't trust government, you should be a Libertarian.

    A very Liberal interpretation of the First Amendment allows for very wide interpretation of what it means. A very conservative interpretation allows only for exactly what it says. The four most beautiful words in the English language are: "Congress shall make no law…"

    A very liberal interpretation would have us all gagged and in chains before noon tomorrow if Obama could get Holder organized enough to do it. Oh, and we'd also be forced to watch only those television shows that are approved. We'd see a lot of commentators that get a tickle up their leg when they think about Obama.
    Bolded is wildly incorrect.

    Second line: I want them to have more public goods managed by the public. I also want them to fear the "Proles' " guns to keep them on the "straight and narrow".

    I think you need to look up the world liberal for my context, friend.

    As for Holder. I hate him.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Yes, really... No part at all

    Who wrote the legislation?
    Democrats
    Actually, ACA was written by a committee of six Senators, three of whom were Republicans
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Bolded is wildly incorrect.

    Second line: I want them to have more public goods managed by the public. I also want them to fear the "Proles' " guns to keep them on the "straight and narrow".

    I think you need to look up the world liberal for my context, friend.

    As for Holder. I hate him.


    Liberal Interpretation Law & Legal Definition
    <snip>
    In re K.M., 274 Ill. App. 3d 189 (Ill. App. Ct. 1995), the court observed that “The term "liberal," in the context of statutory construction and interpretation, is often used to signify an interpretation which produces broader coverage or more inclusive application of statutory concepts. What is called a liberal construction is ordinarily one which makes a statute apply to more things or in more situations than would be the case under strict construction.”
    <snip>


    There are many meanings for the word "liberal".

    In legal circles, a "liberal Interpretation" means that the law is pretty much a platform from which to start the consideration. If you think the law means exactly what it says and no more or less, that is not a liberal interpretation.

    "Goods managed by the public"... Golly, that sounds noble. What exactly is "the public"?

    You seem to be me about 35 years ago. I was a Conservative, but of the mind that I must be a Liberal because only bad people are Conservatives.

    You only need to understand what the words mean.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, ACA was written by a committee of six Senators, three of whom were Republicans


    Do you have a link for that?
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Liberal Interpretation Law & Legal Definition
    <snip>
    In re K.M., 274 Ill. App. 3d 189 (Ill. App. Ct. 1995), the court observed that “The term "liberal," in the context of statutory construction and interpretation, is often used to signify an interpretation which produces broader coverage or more inclusive application of statutory concepts. What is called a liberal construction is ordinarily one which makes a statute apply to more things or in more situations than would be the case under strict construction.”
    <snip>


    There are many meanings for the word "liberal".

    In legal circles, a "liberal Interpretation" means that the law is pretty much a platform from which to start the consideration. If you think the law means exactly what it says and no more or less, that is not a liberal interpretation.

    "Goods managed by the public"... Golly, that sounds noble. What exactly is "the public"?

    You seem to be me about 35 years ago. I was a Conservative, but of the mind that I must be a Liberal because only bad people are Conservatives.

    You only need to understand what the words mean.
    What exactly is your contention?

    I was a Communist when I was 15, a Libertarian from 16, a Liberal by 18 and a Socialist by 19.

    I want the 2nd Amendment read more Liberally so the American public can have access to tanks and MANPADs so as to self-form an actually effective militia in times of National Security Duress.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    What exactly is your contention?

    I was a Communist when I was 15, a Libertarian from 16, a Liberal by 18 and a Socialist by 19.

    I want the 2nd Amendment read more Liberally so the American public can have access to tanks and MANPADs so as to self-form an actually effective militia in times of National Security Duress.


    How old are you right now?
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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