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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    The percent of people who have to wait more than 6 days to see a doctor seems to be an easy measurement that's cut and dry without room to interpret.


    That would seem to be an accurate statement and yet the article I linked to and the graph you posted seem to be in disagreement.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Honestly, if anything, your citation makes it obvious that the Current UK system was not built with the Age Demographical Shift considerations and that more funding needs to go into access and medical teaching schools because the Aging Population is relying more on the system than it has before, and what it's been constructed to deal with.

    But you know, tomato, tamato.


    What will be interesting is what actually happens to the health care costs, not the insurance premiums although that will also be interesting, to the actual costs.

    There are various ways to use technology to reduce medical costs and to extend coverless to those that currently have trouble getting treated.

    The insertion of the political monstrosity of the ACA is only going to hurt this and the primary reason is the politicians who needed to get paid off. They don't care a bit about you and me. If you thought that they did, I'm sorry that I may be bursting your bubble.

    The simple insertion of the free birth control into this politically motivated and contrived system of bribes and paybacks says all that needs to be said.

    With respect to the rabid free birth control control, if you can afford a tattoo or a pack of smokes or a couple beers, you can afford Birth Control Pills bought from the open market.

    A good place to start would be to offer cafeteria plans like almost every carrier in the USA used to.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    A good place to start the correction of the underfunding would be to increase the productivity by 8 times to the AVERAGE of the private sector.

    The VA receives enough funding to care for patients. They waste enough to create a disaster.

    The current cost per visit to a VA hospital as measured in 2008 was about $666. The vast majority of visits are not in-patient. of the 60 million visits, only 773,600 were in-patient. That is about 1% of the visits that actually required in patient care.

    I need to be clear here that I am not begrudging any care to a veteran on any any level for any reason. I am only pointing out that this is about the worst efficiency in the world of medicine.

    http://www.va.gov/opa/publications/f...ns_affairs.pdf

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    VA's fiscal year 2009 spending is projected to be approximately $93.4 billion, including $40 billion for health care, $46.9 billion for benefits, and $230 million for the national cemetery system. This is more than a 7 percent increase from the department’s $87.6 billion budget for fiscal year 2009.

    Almost 5.5 million people received care in VA health care facilities in 2008. By the end of fiscal year 2008, 78 percent of all disabled and low-income veterans had enrolled with VA for health care; 65 percent of them were treated by VA. In 2008, VA inpatient facilities treated 773,600 patients. VA’s outpatient clinics registered over 60 million visits.
    While I find the VA needing reform immensely, I still hold that it in no way adduces toward the disprovement of the efficient administration of Universal Healthcare. The simple fact of the matter is that UHC has and is continuing to work, albeit with a lag to adjust for longer life times and associated increased in need for access and medical costs, and I don't see how one corrupt organization can act as a proper reason to put down all the systems.

    "The VA was given responsibility not only for health care—which was extended to include outpatient and psychiatric services, substance abuse treatment, and care for non-service related illnesses—but also for all other veterans affairs. Additional legislation passed after World War II even contained measures such as unemployment compensation and educational allowances.

    While the VA’s budget, payroll, and number of facilities expanded rapidly to become “by far the most extensive [medical program] in the country,” its standard of care stagnated, and complaints of inefficiency and negligence mounted. A 1949 commission “uncovered a staggering amount of waste,” a result of the highly political nature of the VA’s health care system."

    Veteran's Administration: Case Study in Government Inefficiency - Patriot UpdatePatriot Update

    KEVIN McCARTHY: Holding the VA accountable for a culture of inefficiency - Kevin McCarthy for Congress

    "Veterans currently must wait until they have been denied benefits before they are allowed to pay an attorney to assist them. I assume this is because VA claims their system is non-adversarial, and there is a presumption that attorneys are taking advantage of veterans. Veterans are left to fend for themselves or to use a Veterans Service Organization. The VSOs are a wonderful resource, but they cannot do what an attorney, even a mediocre one, could do for the veteran. They represent way too many veterans to allow any real consideration of each individual claim."

    The real causes of inefficiency in the VA claims process | Law Update | Veterans Claims Law - Attorney Shana Dunn

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    American Enterprise Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    (The American, which you cited, is the online arm of the AEI. I think they have a certain bias.)

    "Its stated mission is "to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate"."

    "Some AEI scholars are considered to be some of the leading architects of the second Bush administration's public policy.[3] More than twenty AEI scholars and fellows served either in a Bush administration policy post or on one of the government's many panels and commissions. Among the prominent former government officials now affiliated with AEI are former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton, now an AEI senior fellow; former chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities Lynne Cheney, a longtime AEI senior fellow; former House Speaker Newt Gingrich,"

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...edicine_09.pdf
    There is no bias. they looked at the data that was issued where you get your 65% number. those doctors took anyone that listed medical in their bankruptcy as the cause of their bankruptcy. if you would have read the second article most their medical expense was no more than 10% of their total debt.

    i think it take what the department of justice says over 2 doctors pushing their political ideology.

    way to not read the article and educate yourself though.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What will be interesting is what actually happens to the health care costs, not the insurance premiums although that will also be interesting, to the actual costs.
    There are various ways to use technology to reduce medical costs and to extend coverless to those that currently have trouble getting treated.

    The insertion of the political monstrosity of the ACA is only going to hurt this and the primary reason is the politicians who needed to get paid off. They don't care a bit about you and me. If you thought that they did, I'm sorry that I may be bursting your bubble.

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    Bolded: In terms of UHC, it would go down by likely 40%, at the minimum per capita. In terms of ACA? No clue.

    Underlined: I know they don't give a ****. Why do you think I'm a Socialist? Why do you think I believe in a Very, Very, Very Liberal interpretation of the 1st and more importantly 2nd Amendments? Because one day these Politicians will need to pay for their iniquities. I don't trust ACA, if we want an insurance system we should mirror the German model but otherwise I support UHC near unamiously.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    There is no bias. they looked at the data that was issued where you get your 65% number. those doctors took anyone that listed medical in their bankruptcy as the cause of their bankruptcy. if you would have read the second article most their medical expense was no more than 10% of their total debt.

    i think it take what the department of justice says over 2 doctors pushing their political ideology.

    way to not read the article and educate yourself though.
    Unbaised?

    "According to a 2013 study by NerdWallet Health, unpaid medical bills are expected to be the No.1 cause of bankruptcy filings, surpassing both credit card and mortgage debt."

    Medical Bankruptcies are Still a Problem, Here's What to Expect | Fox Business

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Unbaised?

    "According to a 2013 study by NerdWallet Health, unpaid medical bills are expected to be the No.1 cause of bankruptcy filings, surpassing both credit card and mortgage debt."

    Medical Bankruptcies are Still a Problem, Here's What to Expect | Fox Business
    read the links i posted it proves this wrong.

    someone has 60k in credit cards and 5k in medical expense how is that a medical bankruptcy again i will believe what the independant researches have said.

    go read the links i posted and educate yourself. this has been refuted time and time and time again, but the liberal myth still exists.

    only 17% of bankruptcies are a result of actual medical expenses as the majority of the debt and this is only in homes whose income barely qualify as middle class.

    out of about 1000 cases looked at by the DOJ medical debt was only about 10% of the overall debt owed.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    read the links i posted it proves this wrong.

    someone has 60k in credit cards and 5k in medical expense how is that a medical bankruptcy again i will believe what the independant researches have said.

    go read the links i posted and educate yourself. this has been refuted time and time and time again, but the liberal myth still exists.

    only 17% of bankruptcies are a result of actual medical expenses as the majority of the debt and this is only in homes whose income barely qualify as middle class.
    I quoted a 2013 study, not the old 2007 Study.

    But I'll give you this: My math *was* incorrect (or rather citations, I actually originally read 67% in a reader's digest while I was in the bathroom). Medical-caused bankruptcies are still FAR too high, no one should ever have to go into bankruptcy because they needed to seek medical care and bankruptcy is a drain on the economy at large. But, my math was wrong. It doesn't dilute the point much, but it does change the exact severity of the large issue. It does not in any way make it a small or even moderate issue, however.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    I quoted a 2013 study, not the old 2007 Study.

    But I'll give you this: My math *was* incorrect (or rather citations, I actually originally read 67% in a reader's digest while I was in the bathroom). Medical-caused bankruptcies are still FAR too high, no one should ever have to go into bankruptcy because they needed to seek medical care and bankruptcy is a drain on the economy at large. But, my math was wrong. It doesn't dilute the point much, but it does change the exact severity of the large issue. It does not in any way make it a small or even moderate issue, however.
    17% of all bankruptcies are medical that would mean the other 83% are not medical that is not a majority or even most.

    i don't call that a severity or a large issue.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    17% of all bankruptcies are medical that would mean the other 83% are not medical that is not a majority or even most.

    i don't call that a severity or a large issue.
    Then we differ in opinion, but destroying the history of borrowers for 7 years because they needed to care of themselves seems amoral to me. But, that's an opinion (and economically if we could get rid of it, it would indeed be beneficial to be rid of most of the near 1/5ths of bankruptcies. Especially when they're unnecessary.)

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