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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    By Brett LoGiurato 7/15/2014

    Insurance companies operating in New York State's marketplace are expected to ask for double-digit premium hikes next year, according to new filings from the companies.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/york-h...132658547.html
    Insurance premiums will still be lower than they were pre-ACA

    Here’s why health insurance premiums are tumbling in New York - The Washington Post

    Nearly all stories about the health-care overhaul and insurance premiums tend to be about the cost of health insurance rising. That's what makes this front page story in the New York Times all the more unexpected: "Health Plan Cost For New Yorkers Set to Fall 50 Percent."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/he...all-50.html?hp
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I didn't say you can't make the international comparisons. I said that if you do make international comparisons, you need to do so much research and provide so many qualifiers that the comparisons will become less meaningful. My post was pretty clear on this.

    By stating my thoughts, edited by your method and intention, and then rewording the conclusions as you did, that eliminated the meaning I applied and then you applied a meaning you preferred. Disingenuous is a generous definition of your effort.

    I also provided a link from a real news source with editorial staff review and real world example that undermined your cartoon's conclusion and supported my assertion that international comparisons are often suspect.

    If you only want to throw out assertions and not actually respond to my thoughts, why did you quote me?
    The percent of people who have to wait more than 6 days to see a doctor seems to be an easy measurement that's cut and dry without room to interpret.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

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    American Enterprise Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    (The American, which you cited, is the online arm of the AEI. I think they have a certain bias.)

    "Its stated mission is "to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism—limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate"."

    "Some AEI scholars are considered to be some of the leading architects of the second Bush administration's public policy.[3] More than twenty AEI scholars and fellows served either in a Bush administration policy post or on one of the government's many panels and commissions. Among the prominent former government officials now affiliated with AEI are former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton, now an AEI senior fellow; former chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities Lynne Cheney, a longtime AEI senior fellow; former House Speaker Newt Gingrich,"

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...edicine_09.pdf
    The link I posted was to the 60% percent of Bankrupticies caused by medical expenses***

    Sorry, forgot to type that xP

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Comparing any international statistics on anything is pretty much meaningless. The methodology of getting the stats and the definitions of what particular things mean change in many cases when you cross a border.

    I was trying once to follow up on a life expectancy figure and found that infant mortality is recorded in different ways by different countries. For instance, in the European countries that I ran into, infant morality was recorded by hospitals and calculated more as a measure of staff effectiveness and less as a simple counting function. Effect of this change?

    If the baby was DOA, the stat was not recorded anywhere. The Staff could not re-animate the corpse, so the stat would not fit into their columns and was ignored. It died somewhere else. That baby dies and would therefore be a drag on the life expectancy numbers, but that 1 life at zero years did not hit the averages.

    This does not indicate any devious conspiracy. It's just the analysis of the numbers as they exist and are collected by the rules of whatever bureaucracy is trying to whatever it does. Similarly, in the USA, an unborn is not counted as a death. Just the way it is.

    Your chart might be perfect, but the anecdotal stories are in conflict with it. I would need to see more evidence than one blogger.

    Three-week wait to see your doctor: Millions of patients are denied a prompt appointment to see their GP | Mail Online

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    Millions of patients wait as long as three weeks to see their GP, a Daily Mail survey reveals today.
    Only one in three manages to secure a same-day appointment, despite Government promises to make such slots routinely available. One in five cannot get a consultation within seven days.
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    Honestly, if anything, your citation makes it obvious that the Current UK system was not built with the Age Demographical Shift considerations and that more funding needs to go into access and medical teaching schools because the Aging Population is relying more on the system than it has before, and what it's been constructed to deal with.

    But you know, tomato, tamato.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Yes, really... No part at all

    Who wrote the legislation?
    Democrats

    Who voted to pass the legislation in the Senate?
    60 Democrats, 0 Republicans

    Who voted to pass the legislation in the House?
    219 Democrats, 0 Republicans.

    Who supported and signed that legislation into law?
    President Obama

    Democrats own this turd... The entire steaming pile.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Yes, really... No part at all

    Who wrote the legislation?
    Democrats

    Who voted to pass the legislation in the Senate?
    60 Democrats, 0 Republicans

    Who voted to pass the legislation in the House?
    219 Democrats, 0 Republicans.

    Who supported and signed that legislation into law?
    President Obama

    Democrats own this turd... The entire steaming pile.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/he...0.html?hp&_r=0

    ^ Democrat's fault :O

    Also, I thought your avatar was an Elephant xP

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/he...0.html?hp&_r=0

    ^ Democrat's fault :O

    Also, I thought your avatar was an Elephant xP
    The fact you take a year old story from the NY Times, that quotes a politician who made a prediction that was incorrect, tells me all I need to know about what being a communist is all about.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    The fact you take a year old story from the NY Times, that quotes a politician who made a prediction that was incorrect, tells me all I need to know about what being a communist is all about.
    Well, you are right about one thing. I did not look at the date.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Yes, really... No part at all

    Who wrote the legislation?
    Democrats

    Who voted to pass the legislation in the Senate?
    60 Democrats, 0 Republicans

    Who voted to pass the legislation in the House?
    219 Democrats, 0 Republicans.

    Who supported and signed that legislation into law?
    President Obama

    Democrats own this turd... The entire steaming pile.
    Democrats in congress sure do. Actual citizens.. the democrats out here in the real world did not want this turd either. They wanted single payer.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode



    A good place to start the correction of the underfunding would be to increase the productivity by 8 times to the AVERAGE of the private sector.

    The VA receives enough funding to care for patients. They waste enough to create a disaster.

    The current cost per visit to a VA hospital as measured in 2008 was about $666. The vast majority of visits are not in-patient. of the 60 million visits, only 773,600 were in-patient. That is about 1% of the visits that actually required in patient care.

    I need to be clear here that I am not begrudging any care to a veteran on any any level for any reason. I am only pointing out that this is about the worst efficiency in the world of medicine.

    http://www.va.gov/opa/publications/f...ns_affairs.pdf

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    VA's fiscal year 2009 spending is projected to be approximately $93.4 billion, including $40 billion for health care, $46.9 billion for benefits, and $230 million for the national cemetery system. This is more than a 7 percent increase from the department’s $87.6 billion budget for fiscal year 2009.

    Almost 5.5 million people received care in VA health care facilities in 2008. By the end of fiscal year 2008, 78 percent of all disabled and low-income veterans had enrolled with VA for health care; 65 percent of them were treated by VA. In 2008, VA inpatient facilities treated 773,600 patients. VA’s outpatient clinics registered over 60 million visits.
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