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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Well, to be fair, I've posted alot of links.

    You probably didn't see the one above your post, but it basically has to do with what it's costing us to absorb uncovered emergency medical immigrant costs when we could just have them legally purchase insurance.

    When you break it down, it just makes more sense to treat the Brown Immigrants the same way we did the white ones.
    None of them were on topic. ~sigh~
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    None of them were on topic. ~sigh~
    Well, that's your opinion, not mine.

    I generally stick to the Economics forum where we take into account multiple variables and don't just narrow the view to favor our interests (though, to be fair, I've noticed alot of righties tend to try and do just that)

    Anyways, I think these would be less tangential in your opinion

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Still can't find anything, but from what I read so far it's near-illegal for undocument migrants to get health insurance outside very limited Medicaid coverage

    5 Outlandish Claims About Immigrants And Health Care | Blog | Media Matters for America

    What it will cost you to deny health insurance to illegal immigrants.

    ^ I think this is especially poignant.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    And this is why we should have a Nationalized Healthcare System



    And that would lower costs by what method?
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Do some research before just shooting your mouth off.

    Here, I'll help you out a lil'



    The US spends more on just about everything.

    That's just the way it is.

    When there is more money to spend on anything, more money will be spent.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode



    Americans are not Europeans. We are a notoriously impatient group and waiting 4 months to see a doctor is not going to fly here.

    The key to any nationalized health care depends on rationing.

    This is how HMO's work and we all know how well these were accepted in the USA.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Americans are not Europeans. We are a notoriously impatient group and waiting 4 months to see a doctor is not going to fly here.

    The key to any nationalized health care depends on rationing.

    This is how HMO's work and we all know how well these were accepted in the USA.
    Rationing = Allocation of Resources

    Economics =/= Allocation of Resources

    Besides, the horror (really sensationalized emotional) stories of a few definitely are not outweighed by the needs of the Many.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Lol, okay. You clearly don't understand what I posted, but that's fine.

    What percentage of bankruptcies are caused by unexpected medical expenses in America? ~67%.
    actually about 17%
    http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/2/w74.long

    A reexamination of their data suggests that medical bills are a contributing factor in just 17 percent of personal bankruptcies and that those affected tend to have incomes closer to poverty level than to middle class.

    The Medical Bankruptcy Myth — The American Magazine
    They also reviewed other research, including studies by the Department of Justice, finding that medical debts accounted for only 12 percent to 13 percent of the total debts among American bankruptcy filers who cited medical debt as one of their reasons for bankruptcy

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Rationing = Allocation of Resources

    Economics =/= Allocation of Resources

    Besides, the horror (really sensationalized emotional) stories of a few definitely are not outweighed by the needs of the Many.
    nope not the stories of a few. the average wait time for specialists in canada is a year. to see a family doctora can take months.
    it is the same reason that the canadian government is overlooking the private MRI centers that have opened up because they are filling a demand that can't be met by the government system even though the MRI centers are technically illegal.

    sorry i don't want rationed healthcare. you might but i don't.

    as i said before if you want government run healthcare i say go for it. you and people like you can pay all the taxes you want for medicaid and i will go with a private insurance plan.
    only don't come complaining to me when you can't find a doctor and it takes you a year or longer to see the one you can find.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    And that would lower costs by what method?
    It doesn't lower costs which is why all these UHC systems are raising taxes and cutting back on services. their healthcare costs continue to rise and they are getting unaffordable.
    France has been running in the red on their healthcare system for years now and it is getting worse.
    England just announced cuts to it's healthcare system as well to try and contain costs.

    They are all cutting back on costs which means less coverage. so people are paying more (taxes) for less in order to reign in costs.

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