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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The opinion of the Slate was that the amendments were substantive, but the White House.Gov site only posted 5 ideas that were substantive of the 161 submitted. there were about 900 submitted, weren't there?

    In any event, none of this make the thing any better than it is.

    Why was it used to replace HR 3950?
    The Wiki link explained why the senate used H.R. 3590 and replaced the text with ACA
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Probably the best amendment and was, I think, immediately undermined when the staffs of the Federal thieves and I think the thieves themselves were given subsidies to pay for most of their premiums.
    I'm pretty sure that their staffs were allowed to remain in the FEHP system, and I'm certain that a senator's salary is too high for them to qualify for subsidies.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, it's why we need less government involvement in healthcare especially if the hikes are linked to the ACA.
    Need less health care in health care.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The Wiki link explained why the senate used H.R. 3590 and replaced the text with ACA


    I believe it said that since a spending bill must originate in the House, they used a bill that had nothing to do with the topic at hand in yet another perversion of the process to achieve their end by devious, borderline illegal means.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm pretty sure that their staffs were allowed to remain in the FEHP system, and I'm certain that a senator's salary is too high for them to qualify for subsidies.


    You are right. that is why the subsidies are a bit disingenuous and yet another departure from the law that was passed.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I believe it said that since a spending bill must originate in the House, they used a bill that had nothing to do with the topic at hand in yet another perversion of the process to achieve their end by devious, borderline illegal means.
    That is correct

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    You are right. that is why the subsidies are a bit disingenuous and yet another departure from the law that was passed.
    I don't see how the senators not getting a tax credit makes the tax credit "disingenuous"
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That is correct



    I don't see how the senators not getting a tax credit makes the tax credit "disingenuous"



    One of the amendments that you point to as proof that the Republicans are full partners in this is throne that demands that this group of folks be required to enroll in Obmamacare.

    By taking advantage of subsidies not available in the law to folks at their income level, they are proving themselves to be the lying thieves that we all know they are, both R&D.

    Not surprisingly, this was a White house arranged deviation from the law to avoid the ranker of the legislators.

    $174K-Per-Year Congressmen Will Get Special Obamacare Subsidy | CNS News
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    Under the OPM deal arranged in August, the average member of Congress who makes $174,000 a year will be able to keep his approximately $10,000 health insurance subsidy, like he used to get under his old plan, before Obamacare. Congressional staffers who buy through the exchange will also get to keep the subsidies they were receiving. (See Congress Salary CRS Report.pdf)
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    One of the amendments that you point to as proof that the Republicans are full partners in this is throne that demands that this group of folks be required to enroll in Obmamacare.

    By taking advantage of subsidies not available in the law to folks at their income level, they are proving themselves to be the lying thieves that we all know they are, both R&D.

    Not surprisingly, this was a White house arranged deviation from the law to avoid the ranker of the legislators.

    $174K-Per-Year Congressmen Will Get Special Obamacare Subsidy | CNS News
    <snip>
    Under the OPM deal arranged in August, the average member of Congress who makes $174,000 a year will be able to keep his approximately $10,000 health insurance subsidy, like he used to get under his old plan, before Obamacare. Congressional staffers who buy through the exchange will also get to keep the subsidies they were receiving. (See Congress Salary CRS Report.pdf)
    <snip>
    The article you linked to is quite dishonest. Not surprising given the source's history of lying. Here is a link to the rule it refers to

    https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...essional-staff

    The rules do not allow any special exception for tax credits for members of congress. If their income is above 400% of the FPL (and it is), then they don't get any tax credits.

    IOW, the "average member of Congress" will not get any tax credit, but their staffers might, depending on their salary.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The article you linked to is quite dishonest. Not surprising given the source's history of lying. Here is a link to the rule it refers to

    https://www.federalregister.gov/arti...essional-staff

    The rules do not allow any special exception for tax credits for members of congress. If their income is above 400% of the FPL (and it is), then they don't get any tax credits.

    IOW, the "average member of Congress" will not get any tax credit, but their staffers might, depending on their salary.



    To be clear, you are saying that there is absolutely no subsidy paid to those who previously carried health insurance in this group of people?

    http://uspolitics.about.com/od/healt...-Obamacare.htm
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    To be clear, you are saying that there is absolutely no subsidy paid to those who previously carried health insurance in this group of people?

    Health Care Subsidy for Congress - In Obamacare
    No, that is not what I'm saying. What I am saying that they will not get the tax credits (ie the ACA subsidy) that ACA makes available. What they are getting is the same subsidy they have always received. In the US, employers are allowed to provide their employees with money to pay their health care premiums. Before ACA, the employer of these Congress members (ie the fed govt) paid them a subsidy to buy insurance. After ACA, their emploter is paying a them a subsidy to buy insurance.

    IOW, ACA had nothing to do with the subsidy they are receiving. They received it before ACA, and the will continue to receive it after ACA. The only change ACA made is that they will now buy their insurance through the exchange, instead of buying it through FEHP.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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