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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The issue being discussed was "who wrote the law". I have proven that members of both parties wrote sections of the law.

    Changing the subject to "who voted for it?" won't change the fact the republicans helped write the law.
    Who's responsible for Obamacare becoming law?
    Answer: Democrats

    How many Republicans from the House and Senate endorsed the passage of Obamacare, and voted "Yes" to the legislation?
    Answer: 0 Republicans from the House, and 0 Republicans from the Senate.


    What party is 100% responsible for the train wreck known as The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) becoming law?
    Answer: Democrats.


    Democrats, liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, President Obama and every other fringe leftist group who supported Obamacare, owns Obamacare... Why don't you all take responsibility for your achievement the same way you did the day congress passed the bill on that 100% partisan vote and smiled as they shoved it down the American people's throats? You all were certainly bragging about it that day, as you celebrated your asses off at it's passage. Remember how those of us on the right sounded the alarm and you all laughed and dismissed us?

    Well it's all yours people... Be proud and embrace it.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Who's responsible for Obamacare becoming law?
    Answer: Democrats

    How many Republicans from the House and Senate endorsed the passage of Obamacare, and voted "Yes" to the legislation?
    Answer: 0 Republicans from the House, and 0 Republicans from the Senate.


    What party is 100% responsible for the train wreck known as The Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) becoming law?
    Answer: Democrats.


    Democrats, liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, President Obama and every other fringe leftist group who supported Obamacare, owns Obamacare... Why don't you all take responsibility for your achievement the same way you did the day congress passed the bill on that 100% partisan vote and smiled as they shoved it down the American people's throats? You all were certainly bragging about it that day, as you celebrated your asses off at it's passage. Remember how those of us on the right sounded the alarm and you all laughed and dismissed us?

    Well it's all yours people... Be proud and embrace it.
    I don't know why it's so hard for you to admit that I am right when I say that republicans helped write it
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, it's why we need less government involvement in healthcare especially if the hikes are linked to the ACA.
    Considering that healthcare costs have been going up faster than inflation for decades, then how exactly is less government the solution?
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't know why it's so hard for you to admit that I am right when I say that republicans helped write it
    I don't know why it's so hard for you to admit that I am right when I say that democrats are 100% responsible for Obamacare, because not one republican voted for that legislation.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not very different at all

    "Became the foundation" means that they wrote the text of the bill in its' original form. Tha text, however, did not become the final bill because it subjected to numerous amendments, some of which were submitted by (and voted in favor of by) republicans

    Since the bill in its' final form is a comglomeration of original text (written by both dems and repubs) and a collection of amendments (also written by both dems and repubs) it is untrue to claim that any one person or party wrote the bill.

    Bill Summary & Status - 111th Congress (2009 - 2010) - S.AMDT.2786 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    Bill Summary & Status - 111th Congress (2009 - 2010) - S.AMDT.3000 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
    All of the amendments that you list as being a part of the House bill sent to the Senate are moot since that bill was never voted on by the Senate. In still another deceptive, borderline illegal tactic, the Senate used a different bill entirely and attaché its own version of the ACA to it.

    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Senate
    The Senate began work on its own proposals while the House was still working on the Affordable Health Care for America Act. Instead, the Senate took up H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members.[90] As the United States Constitution requires all revenue-related bills to originate in the House,[91] the Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code. The bill was then used as the Senate's vehicle for their healthcare reform proposal, completely revising the content of the bill.[92]

    The was, however, one amendment that was proposed by Tom Coburn and harry Reid tabled it.

    Congressional Record - 111th Congress (2009-2010) - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    Another moot point.

    No Republican amendments were used and no Republicans voted for this.

    This is not to claim any moral authority for the Republicans. It is is only more evidence that in this particular instance, the Democrats acted alone and did so with intention and impudence.
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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    21 at the moment, 5 more months until 22.

    Feel old, but then again half of your life is had, in reference to relative importance, by 25.

    (As in your fifth year of life from 4th is 25% of everything you know, obviously you can extrapolate the scientific inference. It's actually one of the major problems with humans obtaining extremely long life times, by the time we'd turn 100 the time would fly incredibly fast. From the individual's perspective, anyways.)


    You're so young...
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    And this is why we should have a Nationalized Healthcare System

    LOL !

    Without getting into the obvious failures of Central planning, how would a Country with open borders pay for that ?

    Hell, even if Obama enforced our immigration laws how would we pay for it ?

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    All of the amendments that you list as being a part of the House bill sent to the Senate are moot since that bill was never voted on by the Senate. In still another deceptive, borderline illegal tactic, the Senate used a different bill entirely and attaché its own version of the ACA to it.

    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Senate
    The Senate began work on its own proposals while the House was still working on the Affordable Health Care for America Act. Instead, the Senate took up H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members.[90]
    Umm, the link I posted explicitly states that the amendments were amendments to that House bill H.R. 3590

    Here's the link again
    Bill Summary & Status - 111th Congress (2009 - 2010) - S.AMDT.2786 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    See where it says "Amends: H.R.3590"?

    That means those amendments were amendments to HR 3590 and it shows that there were many amendments submitted and sponsored by republicans
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Who will pay premiums for the illegal immigrant children?
    and all the other illegal aliens, and all the unemployed, and all who still can't afford to pay for health insurance.

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    Re: New York Healthcare Premiums Are About To Explode

    Quote Originally Posted by Buddha C View Post
    Well, to be fair, I've posted alot of links.
    Yes, called countermeasures...
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    Generalizations are stupid.
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    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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