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Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

clownboy said:
Nonsense. The EU is formed as a financial union of states. The US doesn't restrict interstate movement either.
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Free Movement - EU nationals - Employment, Social Affairs & Inclusion - European Commission
Free movement of workers is a fundamental principle of the Treaty enshrined in Article 45 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union and developed by EU secondary legislation and the Case law of the Court of Justice. EU citizens are entitled to:
look for a job in another EU country
work there without needing a work permit
reside there for that purpose
stay there even after employment has finished
enjoy equal treatment with nationals in access to employment, working conditions and all other social and tax advantages
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HenryChinaski said:
Is the person who attempts to burglarize your home more likely to be an American citizen or an illegal person from South of the border or Asia?
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I have no idea, and that's irrelevant to security. Nor do I wish to impune the character of illegal immigrants beyond their initial crime of trespassing into America.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Give them legal resident status, then they're no longer illegal. Regularization rather than deportation is the better choice. Most Americans don’t want to round up millions of people who have become embedded in U.S. society. The newly legalized would resemble expatriate workers around the world. Foreign workers and residents make up about one-fifth of Switzerland’s population. Often thought of as an insular society, Switzerland actually is cosmopolitan. It can freely welcome so many foreigners because it doesn't offer citizenship alongside employment.
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You'd actually be surprised of the numbers of Americans that would support rounding up illegal aliens and shipping them out, just as many Americans would support rounding up the criminals in Washington and on Wall Street.
 
Montecresto said:
You'd actually be surprised of the numbers of Americans that would support rounding up illegal aliens and shipping them out, just as many Americans would support rounding up the criminals in Washington and on Wall Street.
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I see lots of support for deportation. I think amnesty is dead right now. Politicians on TV saying they need to go back.
 
American said:
I see lots of support for deportation. I think amnesty is dead right now. Politicians on TV saying they need to go back.
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Politicians say whatever the demographic that they're speaking to want's to hear. Big business runs this country, controls politicians and embraces the cheap labor. Rounding up 12 million people and carting them off is a pipe dream.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Politicians say whatever the demographic that they're speaking to want's to hear. Big business runs this country, controls politicians and embraces the cheap labor. Rounding up 12 million people and carting them off is a pipe dream.
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Well sure it is. In fact, its a pipe dream to think that politicians would ever advance policy thats advantageous to American citizens, unless by the sheerest of luck, it was advantageous to big business, too!
 
HenryChinaski said:
Politicians say whatever the demographic that they're speaking to want's to hear. Big business runs this country, controls politicians and embraces the cheap labor. Rounding up 12 million people and carting them off is a pipe dream.
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That's a peachy sentiment, but even if it were factual, it's the people who ultimately control whether they are elected/reelected. The politicians know this. That's why there has been no amnesty.

And really? You think repeating the same debunked meme will somehow make it true?
 
clownboy said:
Once again, duh! They formed as a union of states. Non-citizens of the EU need visas.
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Right, however a net 66,200 EU citizens emigrated to Switzerland last year and that is the highest number since their free movement of people pact came into force in 2002. It's easy to work there. EU citizens have to register with the communal authorities and apply for a residence permit within 8 days of my arrival in Switzerland and before actually taking up work. However all necessary steps for obtaining the work and residence permit can be taken after arrival in Switzerland.
 
clownboy said:
That's a peachy sentiment, but even if it were factual, it's the people who ultimately control whether they are elected/reelected. The politicians know this. That's why there has been no amnesty.

And really? You think repeating the same debunked meme will somehow make it true?
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They'll never be removed. They do many of the **** jobs no one wants. They help increase the profit margin of business. They pump money into the economy because they're consumers. Not to mention that because they're here our leisure activities are a lot cheaper.
 
HenryChinaski said:
They'll never be removed. They do many of the **** jobs no one wants. They help increase the profit margin of business. They pump money into the economy because they're consumers. Not to mention that because they're here our leisure activities are a lot cheaper.
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The first point is nonsense and wishful thinking on your part. The second is why we have work visas. The third will always be true when you allow an underclass of near slaves working off the books. The fourth isn't near as true as you would like to think. And the fifth is just lazy assholery.
 
clownboy said:
The first point is nonsense and wishful thinking on your part. The second is why we have work visas. The third will always be true when you allow an underclass of near slaves working off the books. The fourth isn't near as true as you would like to think. And the fifth is just lazy assholery.
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The few ****ing work visas that exist go to highly skilled workers. Unskilled workers don't have a chance in the pit of hades to obtain US work Visas. To the right, immigration is fundamentally about who we are as a society, who is a member of our polity, and how we welcome people. Immigration from an economic perspective is a completely different ballgame.
 
jimbo said:
Simpler solution. Send the illegals back to wherever they came from.
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Arizona's Governor Brewer was asked what she would do.

Her response was if she were in charge Obama illegal alien jihad on the border would have never happened, there would have been no trouble at the border because the border would have already been secured.
 
APACHERAT said:
Arizona's Governor Brewer was asked what she would do.

Her response was if she were in charge Obama illegal alien jihad on the border would have never happened, there would have been no trouble at the border because the border would have already been secured.
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Well at least Brewer is good at telling her base what they want to hear.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Well at least Brewer is good at telling her base what they want to hear.
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Back in 2012 President Obama told America what they wanted to hear. America's borders are secured. What do you want, moats with alligators ?

It was just a lie to get reelected like it was all about a Youtube video or that "Al Qaeda is being decimated and is on the run"
 
APACHERAT said:
Arizona's Governor Brewer was asked what she would do.

Her response was if she were in charge Obama illegal alien jihad on the border would have never happened, there would have been no trouble at the border because the border would have already been secured.
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Too bad Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc hadn't felt the same way and secured our border and we wouldn't be asking Obama to do it right now.
 
APACHERAT said:
Back in 2012 President Obama told America what they wanted to hear. America's borders are secured. What do you want, moats with alligators ?

It was just a lie to get reelected like it was all about a Youtube video or that "Al Qaeda is being decimated and is on the run"
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Or "mission accomplished" or "the Iraq insurgency is in its last throws"
 
Montecresto said:
Too bad Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc hadn't felt the same way and secured our border and we wouldn't be asking Obama to do it right now.
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Well Reagan did, he put someone in charge who was getting results and the left yelled racist. Harold Esell was forced to resign.

You will know when our immigration laws are being enforced and when the border is being secured. When you hear the usual leftist, CPUSA, National Council of La Raza, Party of Liberation and Socialism, A*N*S*W*E*R* Coalition, ACLU, MALDEF, SPLC, the Progressive Caucus of Congress and MEChA, not to leave out MS-13, the El Norteños and 18th Street all yelling racism.

That's what President Reagan was faced with.

BTW: you can add the drug cartels and the SEIU to the list above.
 
Montecresto said:
Or "mission accomplished" or "the Iraq insurgency is in its last throws"
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What was the military mission in 2003 ?

Regime change in Iraq,

Mission accomplished.

Why do libs continue to back stab the American soldier by politicizing a war and claiming they didn't accomplish the mission ?
 
APACHERAT said:
What was the military mission in 2003 ?

Regime change in Iraq,

Mission accomplished.

Why do libs continue to back stab the American soldier by politicizing a war and claiming they didn't accomplish the mission ?
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This isn't about the young, naive soldiers wet behind the ears with round faces and all following orders. It's about US foreign policy designed to destabilise the Middle East, perhaps drown it in sectarian violence.
 
APACHERAT said:
Well Reagan did, he put someone in charge who was getting results and the left yelled racist. Harold Esell was forced to resign.

You will know when our immigration laws are being enforced and when the border is being secured. When you hear the usual leftist, CPUSA, National Council of La Raza, Party of Liberation and Socialism, A*N*S*W*E*R* Coalition, ACLU, MALDEF, SPLC, the Progressive Caucus of Congress and MEChA, not to leave out MS-13, the El Norteños and 18th Street all yelling racism.

That's what President Reagan was faced with.

BTW: you can add the drug cartels and the SEIU to the list above.
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And big business that has no interest in secure borders, don't forget that.
 
Montecresto said:
This isn't about the young, naive soldiers wet behind the ears with round faces and all following orders. It's about US foreign policy designed to destabilise the Middle East, perhaps drown it in sectarian violence.
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When politicians fail is when you go to war.

When that happens it's best that politicians stay out of it and allow the military do what they are best at what they do.

Unfortuanly there are two problems that America had to face in the past.

The National Security Act of 1947 that gave too much power to civilians over the military.

And the left wing who have politicize every ****ing thing on the planet.

First it was global freezing then global warming, environmental change and a half of dozen other labels put on climate change. The left politicized it and that's why nothing is being done. Libs/progressive have to politicize every ****ing thing in the world from a ****ing owl in a tree, the car you drive, guns, Big Gulps, smoking, contraceptives, to even buggery.

As soon as the left politicized the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan our enemies noticed and stepped up the fight.
The same thing happened in 1968 after the VC got beaten to a bloody pulp and what was left of the NVA fled into Laos and Cambodia.
 
APACHERAT said:
What was the military mission in 2003 ?

Regime change in Iraq,

Mission accomplished.

Why do libs continue to back stab the American soldier by politicizing a war and claiming they didn't accomplish the mission ?
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One gigantic lie! [There is no ROFLMAO emoticon large enough to cover this lie!]
 
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