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Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

I believe the recent influx of illegals is an orchestrated event by the left, which includes the Obama Administration.

Based on what information?
 
If an immigrant, no matter where they're from, is the one the business wants to hire, than they're the one that should be hired. The American Government is not a Union, and shouldn't act as one.
Once upon a time, these people wouldn't have been illegals, they would have been fed directly into the legal program, they would have stayed, or returned seasonally based on their own plans, generate some business as they worked here, and that would have been that. The Economic order goes on as it should.
Today, we have an economically disruptive system, one that categorically disallows people from coming here, not because they are violent, not because they are terrorists, not because they're ne'er do wells or seek welfare, but simply because they're low-skilled, and aren't from here.
If you are low skilled, and have no relatives living in the United States, you have no chance of coming here. There is no line for you, and you will simply be turned away.
Most immigrants fall into this category, so either they become illegals, or they don't come. That's the choice we've put in front of them.
Additionally, for High Skilled immigrants there is a shallow pool. 85,000 H1-B visas, 225,000 applicants a year. They go virtually within the first day. To assign them, the visas are put into a lottery.
That is our Government, turning away the next Elon Musk, the next Sergey Brin, the next Ajay Bhatt-led, simply because we didn't make enough visas to meet the demand. We are turning away growth & opportunity, and allowing ourselves to be technologically out-paced, because of a short-sighted, disruptive policy, written by Labor Unions.
It's nonsense. It doesn't make us richer, it makes us poorer. It doesn't make us safer, it makes immigration illicit. Worthy of nothing but contempt.

Obviously, you're wrong. The invasion of illegal aliens from failed countries has had a massive detrimental impact on our economy here. It's contribution to our economic challenges can be correlated to this huge influx.

What you describe from before changed when the legal migrants decided not to return to their countries as they had before. Once they learned they could stay and extract more treasure from this country, they came in massive waves. Every illegal is a net drain on the economy, burning through multiples of economic output in return for a grain of economic input. As a Nation, we learned very long ago that our future depended on a sound immigration policy which sought to control. Not every failure culture can be accommodated here. Not even our own.

If one is low skilled, and has no relatives here, they have not business coming here illegally. The Elon Musks of the world will always find a way. The self centered illegal peasant should not.
 
While a fence is probably never going to work, even if they built a 20 foot fence made of Carbon Fiber, it would be far less than the cost to taxpayers by the millions of illegals who have been encouraged by the Obama Administration and Progressives to come here.

The Great Wall of China is 5500 miles long: How long is the Great Wall, China Great Wall Length, World Leaders Visited

I've seen it. They had lookouts at frequent intervals, and something most don't know, it is booby trapped in case anyone ever got up on it. It is even booby trapped to rid someone on a horse. I agree with the person below who said an unwatched fence would be ineffective. But what the hell is working about our current system. Do you not think that what is happening now will cost the US taxpayers far more than it would cost to build an effective guarded Great Wall type of fence? Factor in all the diseases they are bringing in, including TB, and then divide that by our already overburdened foster care system. The article I posted, I believe, says that we will be getting 120 every 72 hours. Does anyone on here do math? Does the president ****ing do math? It would not seem so.

I didn't have tremendous problem with adults coming here to actually work. But sending children in diapers is equivalent to an act of war against our system.
 
Based on what information?

I've posted some of it. Nobody should require more evidence than what is already quite easy to view. Given the resounding welcome from the left, along with the open arms of people like Pelosi and other radicals, it's all quite out in the open.
 
I'm also becoming concerned about the legal citizens who will be most harmed by these new illegal aliens. How many more jobs will be lost, and how high will unemployment go among those legal citizens seeking work?

What promises will be make (and later broken) to keep them quiet and compliant?

wage suppression is a bigger issue. as lou dobbs said you use to earn about 15 bucks in a meat packing plant. now due to low skilled workers that rate has dropped to 8 or 9 dollars.
 
I've posted some of it. Nobody should require more evidence than what is already quite easy to view. Given the resounding welcome from the left, along with the open arms of people like Pelosi and other radicals, it's all quite out in the open.

Links then?

Otherwise I'm certainly not accepting, "it's obvious." Because it's not.
 
The Great Wall of China is 5500 miles long: How long is the Great Wall, China Great Wall Length, World Leaders Visited

I've seen it. They had lookouts at frequent intervals, and something most don't know, it is booby trapped in case anyone ever got up on it. It is even booby trapped to rid someone on a horse. I agree with the person below who said an unwatched fence would be ineffective. But what the hell is working about our current system. Do you not think that what is happening now will cost the US taxpayers far more than it would cost to build an effective guarded Great Wall type of fence? Factor in all the diseases they are bringing in, including TB, and then divide that by our already overburdened foster care system. The article I posted, I believe, says that we will be getting 120 every 72 hours. Does anyone on here do math? Does the president ****ing do math? It would not seem so.

I didn't have tremendous problem with adults coming here to actually work. But sending children in diapers is equivalent to an act of war against our system.

If asked, it seems the majority of people have little problem with legal immigration. That's reasonable. Frankly, it should be hard to get here. There is a reason the US rose from nothing to World leader in less than 250 years.

However, this latest invasion is an act of war of the kind you imply. This is a foreign invasion being encouraged by the Obama Administration and it's backers and supporters. The implications behind it's effort are alarming.
 
Obviously, you're wrong. The invasion of illegal aliens from failed countries has had a massive detrimental impact on our economy here. It's contribution to our economic challenges can be correlated to this huge influx.

What you describe from before changed when the legal migrants decided not to return to their countries as they had before. Once they learned they could stay and extract more treasure from this country, they came in massive waves. Every illegal is a net drain on the economy, burning through multiples of economic output in return for a grain of economic input. As a Nation, we learned very long ago that our future depended on a sound immigration policy which sought to control. Not every failure culture can be accommodated here. Not even our own.

If one is low skilled, and has no relatives here, they have not business coming here illegally. The Elon Musks of the world will always find a way. The self centered illegal peasant should not.

How so? they pay into our system. They buy gas or travel on buses that pay for their gas with the fares the immigrants pay for. They pay property and sales tax. They even pay for our military, because virtually everything in our Government today is borrowing against the SS trust fund, which illegals at a rate of 3 to 1 contribute to.
But let's be honest here: the free rider effect to some degree is a given. Half of Americans don't pay the same Federal Taxes most immigrants don't. This isn't a problem with them, it's a problem with the system. Ilegal immigration only got out of hand once we abandoned Eisenhower's policies, and adopted ones being put forth by the AFL-CIO. So the fix is simple. Return to Eisenhower. economically wrong headed. Labor just like the other factor of production, Capital, must reach equilibrium, people must move from low producing countries to high producing ones. We have seen the mobility of Capital in our Globalized economy, investors overseas, and foreign companies setting up shop in the U.S. and vice versa. Labor must now follow, and it will do so whether it has our permission or not.
No Civil Law system, no political institution on Earth is stronger than the laws of Supply & Demand, they permeate through all. They are an irrevocable part of human nature.
 
wage suppression is a bigger issue. as lou dobbs said you use to earn about 15 bucks in a meat packing plant. now due to low skilled workers that rate has dropped to 8 or 9 dollars.

What is ignored by supporters of illegal aliens is the coordinated hiring effort that occurs on the shop floor. I've been fighting it here in Southern California for decades.

First a Spanish speaking worker gets promoted into a position of authority. Then they start hiring their Spanish speaking friends and relatives. Over a relatively short period of time, the entire shop floor becomes Spanish speaking, and communication between workers from different ethic backgrounds becomes almost impossible. I call it "spanification" of the workforce. One way I protect against this type of activity is to move managers around frequently, and to make sure the compensation is high enough to attract quality long term workers.
 
Naw. Couldn't be. We're paying the taxes, so it wouldn't make sense to take on the additional expense.

It's just another social justice move by the forces of the Progressive Machine to further their One World agenda and cut the US down to a size they think they can exploit.

Convenient to whip up security and "MY TAXES" fears around election time, wouldn't you say? Get some more votes, maintain power, continue status quo.
 
So I take it the "true patriots" are finally taking back their country?
 
If we can not handle the internment, processing, and deportation of 90,000 how in the hell would we deport 900,000? Nevermind 9,000,000.

If President Obama is asking congress for $2,000,000,000 to deal with 90K...how many billions would it take to deport 12,000,000?
 
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Links then?

Otherwise I'm certainly not accepting, "it's obvious." Because it's not.

It's always the "links then" BS. The facts are not just obvious, but glaring. Do you think Pelosi went to the border to stop the invaders or welcome them? Do you think the President welcomed illegal aliens into the White House to talk recipes from their native lands? Do you think placating illegal alien activists in an election year is impossible to consider?

In the end, if you don't want to accept it, fine. Doesn't matter to me that you don't. What does matter are the millions who do see what is going on, and are not willing to sit by without saying something about it.
 
So I take it the "true patriots" are finally taking back their country?



If you mean the people that turned the buses away...all they did was transfer the processing of the illegal aliens as required by law to a different local. They took nor gave anything.
 
What is ignored by supporters of illegal aliens is the coordinated hiring effort that occurs on the shop floor. I've been fighting it here in Southern California for decades.

First a Spanish speaking worker gets promoted into a position of authority. Then they start hiring their Spanish speaking friends and relatives. Over a relatively short period of time, the entire shop floor becomes Spanish speaking, and communication between workers from different ethic backgrounds becomes almost impossible. I call it "spanification" of the workforce. One way I protect against this type of activity is to move managers around frequently, and to make sure the compensation is high enough to attract quality long term workers.

yep i have seen that as well. it isn't good for business unless some of them speak english.

i know there are parts of miami that they don't speak english at all and look at you funny if you try.
other times they will turn the phone over to their kids.

they simply refuse to learn or speak english.
 
If you mean the people that turned the buses away...all they did was transfer the processing of the illegal aliens as required by law to a different local. They took nor gave anything.

they took a stand.
that is all that matters.

they should not be subject to this illegal activity more so from our own government.
 
yep i have seen that as well. it isn't good for business unless some of them speak english.

i know there are parts of miami that they don't speak english at all and look at you funny if you try.
other times they will turn the phone over to their kids.

they simply refuse to learn or speak english.

Miami is filled with Cubans who vote Republican. Perhaps you should think about that before insulting them and losing another voting bloc.
 
Convenient to whip up security and "MY TAXES" fears around election time, wouldn't you say? Get some more votes, maintain power, continue status quo.

I'm betting people see "give away sovereignty of country by encouraging foreign invasion" as a losing vote getter. If the Progressive Machine is willing to expose this part of their overall mission, I think that is good for people to know. It certainly should allow the Progressive status quo and agenda to not remain so unknown.
 
they took a stand.
that is all that matters.

they should not be subject to this illegal activity more so from our own government.

What was the stand? ..."don't process them here"? take them and process them[as required by law] over there...

Stop acting like standing in front of a bus solves anything.
 
I've posted some of it. Nobody should require more evidence than what is already quite easy to view. Given the resounding welcome from the left, along with the open arms of people like Pelosi and other radicals, it's all quite out in the open.
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In other words, there is no proof.
 
Based on what information?


How about this Lursa.
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Also you do know that 59% of the Population blame BO for this current Immigration Crisis, Right?. Let me know if you need any other info on it.




Proof: Obama Knew Illegal Immigrant Minors Were Coming, Has No Plans To Deport.....

Is this the smoking gun?

Now, recently unearthed documents show the Obama Administration knew about the influx of tens of thousands of illegal immigrant children across our southern border and has no plans to return them to their home country. Back in January, the Department of Homeland Security submitted a bid to “escort” 65,000 unaccompanied children to locations across the country. Courtesy of weaselzippers.us, here’s the relevant text:

ICE is seeking the services of a responsible vendor that shares the philosophy of treating all UAC with dignity and respect, while adhering to standard operating procedures and policies that allow for an effective, efficient, and incident free transport. The Contractor shall provide unarmed escort staff, including management, supervision, manpower, training, certifications, licenses, drug testing, equipment, and supplies necessary to provide on-demand escort services for non-criminal/non-delinquent unaccompanied alien children ages infant to 17 years of age, seven (7) days a week, 365 days a year.

More interestingly, the bid is for the “Office of Refugee Resettlement.” This office does NOT deport people. It resettles them. Their mission statement:

The Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) provides new populations with opportunities to maximize their potential in the United States, linking people in need to critical resources to assist them in becoming integrated members of American society.....snip~

Proof: Obama Knew Illegal Immigrant Minors Were Coming, Has No Plans To Deport - Downtrend



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Mountains of it. Perhaps if you dug yourself out from under it, you could see it.
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I see, mountains of invisible proof only certain people can see, like the right.....and it's been hidden from the internet by super-duper-secret members of the GOP/TP. Gotcha.
 
Miami is filled with Cubans who vote Republican. Perhaps you should think about that before insulting them and losing another voting bloc.

I am not insulting anyone. it is a fact that the hispanic community down some of them refuse to learn english. that isn't insulting it is a fact. get over it.
 
I am not insulting anyone. it is a fact that the hispanic community down some of them refuse to learn english. that isn't insulting it is a fact. get over it.

A fact in your mind, maybe
 
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