Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

CanadaJohn · Jul 2, 2014

Maenad said:
Really. LOL. Our budget is already so overburdened with debt that we can't borrow more. China and the banks already own us. So you propose that we borrow more to provide 'relief' money? A better suggestion would be to escort every bus load across the US up to Canada. There. Problem solved with just the cost of a little gas.

Well, if you want to follow Mexico's lead, that would be your solution.

However, common sense will tell you that if you have two countries who are relatively equal, economically and developmentally, like Canada and the US, you have far fewer people trying to illegally enter one from the other than if you have two countries, greatly different economically and developmentally. In the later case, people will naturally try to get into the country with the better lifestyle and opportunities.

Now, you can chose, as some would suggest, to spend billions of dollars building fences and manning them with thousands of guards or you can make it less attractive for people to want to enter illegally. One way is to make illegal entry punishable in a harsh way. Another way is to make people prefer to stay home. Entering into free trade zones with all of Central and Southern America and helping them prosper will also entice them to remain home where most, I'm guessing, will prefer to stay.

But those are just potentially constructive ways to solve the problem. Suggesting that they all be bussed to Canada is a great way to throw up your hands and offer no solutions.

Ray410 · Jul 2, 2014

HenryChinaski said:
What is a "real American"? assimilated? What does that mean? My daughters great Grandmother immigrated to the US from Mexico in the 40's. She worked, saved and by 1963 bought a two flat in a German community where very little english was spoken. She never learned a lick of English herself, yet she paid taxes and contributed to the community.
Your comments are way off.

No they're not. They have immediate relevance.

Maenad · Jul 2, 2014

NIMBY said:
Accusing Obama of having a racist plan removes you from further serious consideration as a poster .

“Very deep. You should send that in to the Reader's Digest. They've got a page for people like you.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

MMC · Jul 2, 2014

PirateMk1 said:
Drones don't really do much for dissuasion unless they are armed.

Well....they do let us see how many are getting in....in the dark.

Linc · Jul 2, 2014

so you're reduced to the "i know you are but what am i" card after you played a very weak "racist" card".
Bet you didn't didn't vot for Bush-43 both times either--understand .

Ray410 said:
Demanding your sort of dishonest Liberal speech suppression removes you from serious consideration as a poster.

Maenad · Jul 2, 2014

CanadaJohn said:
Well, if you want to follow Mexico's lead, that would be your solution.

However, common sense will tell you that if you have two countries who are relatively equal, economically and developmentally, like Canada and the US, you have far fewer people trying to illegally enter one from the other than if you have two countries, greatly different economically and developmentally. In the later case, people will naturally try to get into the country with the better lifestyle and opportunities.

Now, you can chose, as some would suggest, to spend billions of dollars building fences and manning them with thousands of guards or you can make it less attractive for people to want to enter illegally. One way is to make illegal entry punishable in a harsh way. Another way is to make people prefer to stay home. Entering into free trade zones with all of Central and Southern America and helping them prosper will also entice them to remain home where most, I'm guessing, will prefer to stay.

But those are just potentially constructive ways to solve the problem. Suggesting that they all be bussed to Canada is a great way to throw up your hands and offer no solutions.

Naturalize and pay taxes here. Then I will take you seriously. Until such time, what you post is merely a joke.

Linc · Jul 2, 2014

more quotes from others--no thoughts of your own :lamo

Maenad said:
“Very deep. You should send that in to the Reader's Digest. They've got a page for people like you.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Linc · Jul 2, 2014

They have zero relevance and will help swing every election against you and your kind henceforth .

Ray410 said:
No they're not. They have immediate relevance.

Maenad · Jul 2, 2014

NIMBY said:
more quotes from others--no thoughts of your own :lamo

“I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Linc · Jul 2, 2014

more quotes from Maenad instead of original thought--understandable -

Maenad said:
“I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never actually known what the question is.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

HenryChinaski · Jul 2, 2014

Ray410 said:
No they're not. They have immediate relevance.

I live in a neighborhood with a high concentration of Mexicans, Costa Rican's and Ecuadorians. Spanish is spoken everywhere. The supermercado's they've opened are great as well as some of the restaurants. They even opened a Western Wear store. I love the ethnicity and there is not a damn thing wrong with it. On the contrary, that is the epitome of America and what makes this country great.

Ockham · Jul 2, 2014

NIMBY said:
They have zero relevance and will help swing every election against you and your kind henceforth .

The "Obi Wan Kenobi" view of politics is fiction... The thought that anyone standing in the way of your view will only make liberals stronger and win more is comical, like a bazooka bubblegum strategy.

CRUE CAB · Jul 2, 2014

Paxaeon said:
`
The border between the US and Mexico is 1,989 miles long. How much are Americans willing to spend to make this border impenetrable? Consider a 4 foot fence casts between $2,700-$21,200 for one mile. (source) A 6 foot fence with barbed wire; considerably more.

Whatever it takes.

mbig · Jul 2, 2014

Paxaeon said:
`
The border between the US and Mexico is 1,989 miles long. How much are Americans willing to spend to make this border impenetrable? Consider a 4 foot fence casts between $2,700-$21,200 for one mile. (source) A 6 foot fence with barbed wire; considerably more.

All we need is MANDATORY US Citizenship/ID to get a Job.

Employers, be they large or 'nanny' Hiring an Illegal:
Will be fined $5000 for first offense. (per Each employee)
$10,000 for second.
Jail+ Fine for third.
No Money, No immigrants. They are Economic refugees.

This fence/guard stuff is Nonsense Posturing.

This was the last straw for me (generally progressive) and Failed Obama.
NO Amnesty.
NO 'Path to citizenship'.
NO 'send/have your kids and Unite family'

NO inducements/NO chance you will EVER be legal if you enter Illegally.

Ray410 · Jul 2, 2014

HenryChinaski said:
I live in a neighborhood with a high concentration of Mexicans, Costa Rican's and Ecuadorians. Spanish is spoken everywhere. The supermercado's they've opened are great as well as some of the restaurants. They even opened a Western Wear store. I love the ethnicity and there is not a damn thing wrong with it. On the contrary, that is the epitome of America and what makes this country great.

That is the issue before America right now. From the polls it appears that your opinion is going to be in the minority. For that, you can thank Obama's latest busing from Central America scheme.

Linc · Jul 2, 2014

Do you ever post without slamming on what your warped view of what a liberal is ?

Ockham said:
The "Obi Wan Kenobi" view of politics is fiction... The thought that anyone standing in the way of your view will only make liberals stronger and win more is comical, like a bazooka bubblegum strategy.

CanadaJohn · Jul 2, 2014

NIMBY said:
so you're reduced to the "i know you are but what am i" card after you played a very weak "racist" card".
Bet you didn't didn't vot for Bush-43 both times either--understand .

Good afternoon NIMBY,

Perhaps a little more focus on attacking the problem addressed in the OP and a little less time attacking fellow posters and/or tossing partisan bombs every which way would be more productive in this discussion.

Have fun and enjoy your day.

Texmex · Jul 2, 2014

PirateMk1 said:
Mines on the other hand when backed up by barbed or razor wire are particularly effective at deterring crossing a protected space unless the perps are exceptionally determined.

While you're at it, why not set up some machine gun nest to get those who make it through the mind field? :roll:

CanadaJohn · Jul 2, 2014

Maenad said:
Naturalize and pay taxes here. Then I will take you seriously. Until such time, what you post is merely a joke.

Well done - when you have no constructive response, toss out the xenophobia.

Texmex · Jul 2, 2014

PirateMk1 said:
Oh what are you yapping about. There plenty you can do. Most of its not very nice or Christian, but there is plenty that can be done to dissuade border jumpers.

I'm more interested in humanitarian aid to these children than I am deporting them.

CanadaJohn · Jul 2, 2014

HenryChinaski said:
I live in a neighborhood with a high concentration of Mexicans, Costa Rican's and Ecuadorians. Spanish is spoken everywhere. The supermercado's they've opened are great as well as some of the restaurants. They even opened a Western Wear store. I love the ethnicity and there is not a damn thing wrong with it. On the contrary, that is the epitome of America and what makes this country great.

Toronto has pockets of these all over the city with an Asian influx being the most recent trend. The various cultures is part of what makes my city great.

As long as people coming from different lands don't bring their crime or the political problems of their homeland with them, I welcome all of them here in Canada.

Ockham · Jul 2, 2014

NIMBY said:
Do you ever post without slamming on what your warped view of what a liberal is ?

It shouldn't bother you given your moderate stance and all.

Ray410 · Jul 2, 2014

Texmex said:
I'm more interested in humanitarian aid to these children than I am deporting them.

Are you going to take some into your own home or did you mean you were more interested in having others pay for your demanded humanitarian aid?

Montecresto · Jul 2, 2014

CanadaJohn said:
I was being flippant, as noted in the first sentence of my post. The point being, if you advertise a goodie, people without many or any goodies are going too want to try to get some. It's simply human nature.

As I understand it, and there's been some talk about NAFTA, these are not Mexicans making their way north because NAFTA has actually benefited Mexico and helped retain workers in that country. The problem is with non-NAFTA or free trade countries in Central America, south of Mexico, with no economy and no hope and the Mexican authorities seem to shuffle these people right through Mexico and on to America.

As a result, it may be of benefit to America to start pumping more foreign relief money and economic benefit into these poor Central American countries and spend less in areas like the Middle East and South East Asia, if only as a means to stem the invasion from the south.

You too ignoring the posted documentation on the ill effects of NAFTA on the Mexican worker.

Maenad · Jul 2, 2014

This popped up on FB.

The current illegal immigration crisis has posed a number of serious problems for the state of Texas.

Ranchers have been attacked, their homes broken into, and their lives threatened. Emergency shelters are being packed tightly as thousands cross over into America and have no place to go, taking up valuable resources.

http://conservativetribune.com/tx-border-patrol-illegals/

Is that a helicopter patrolling the border? Fancy that.

Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

Canadian Conservative

Sayonara!

NIMBY

Sayonara!

NIMBY

NIMBY

Sayonara!

NIMBY

Noblesse oblige

onomatopoeic

NIMBY

Canadian Conservative

Canadian Conservative

Canadian Conservative

Noblesse oblige

Sayonara!