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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Why don't liberals have the capacity to understand the difference between a mission and a war?
    Nice try, but I'm no liberal. I just spot BS when I see it, from either party. I don't think the US foreign policy mission for the ME is complete until the entire region is in flames.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry dude, the whole world knows that Bush owns the "mission accomplished" message, and in fact was the crux of his speech as he stood below it.
    The whole world knows he "owns" it? What does that mean?

    Either "the whole world" is stupid or the American left (also not too bright) is trying to paint the leadership of their country as being dishonest. What would be their motives for this?

    The fact is that George Bush said that this 'war on terror' would be going on for many years, even after his presidency, a fact that the Leftists, and the current President didn't pick up on.

    America is turning against itself and posts like yours make it clear that it is the leftists who are to blame for this very serious situation.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Only a fool considers the ME of today more stable than it was before Bush thrust a stick in it.
    The Middle East of today? Certainly it's worse since Obama came to power, but check the situation before Obama screwed it up.Watch Joe Biden Call Iraq "One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" | The Daily Caller

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Why don't liberals have the capacity to understand the difference between a mission and a war?
    It is willful ignorance and, without shame, they are willing to spread it around.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The whole world knows he "owns" it? What does that mean?

    Either "the whole world" is stupid or the American left (also not too bright) is trying to paint the leadership of their country as being dishonest. What would be their motives for this?

    The fact is that George Bush said that this 'war on terror' would be going on for many years, even after his presidency, a fact that the Leftists, and the current President didn't pick up on.

    America is turning against itself and posts like yours make it clear that it is the leftists who are to blame for this very serious situation.
    Except that, try as you will Grant, I'm not a leftist, nor do I claim to be a right winger. The mission in Iraq was a failed ruinous mission from its inception. Failed domestic policies and failed foreign policies by both parties are what's tearing our nation apart. Not some dude voicing his opinions on one of thousands of message boards.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nice try, but I'm no liberal. I just spot BS when I see it, from either party. I don't think the US foreign policy mission for the ME is complete until the entire region is in flames.
    You are a liberal and why do you suppose Obama wants the Middle East in flames?

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You are a liberal and why do you suppose Obama wants the Middle East in flames?
    Wow, you really are blind if you think I'm a liberal. How many liberals do you find on this board criticising this administration as I do. Decades of failed US FP in the ME, continual support for terrorist groups and interference in the affairs of countries in that region are inflaming it. The Chinese and Russians, more astute than yourself warned from the beginning of the Syrian crisis that US interference in Syria would cause the conflict to spill out into the entire region, that's now happening and you can't see it. The abuse of the UN resolution for use of force in Libya prompted both China and Russia to veto all US attempts to secure a resolution for the use of force in Syria, and due to Bush's and now Obama's total and complete **** ups in the ME, we will likely never see support from Russia or China again, owing to corruption, lies, incompetence and complete failure of US foreign policy in the ME.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Except that, try as you will Grant, I'm not a leftist, nor do I claim to be a right winger. The mission in Iraq was a failed ruinous mission from its inception. Failed domestic policies and failed foreign policies by both parties are what's tearing our nation apart. Not some dude voicing his opinions on one of thousands of message boards.
    It is clear to everyone here you are a committed leftist though I'll allow that you don't know you are.

    You apparently don't know much about the Middle East or what Mission Accomplished actually means. These are blank spaces in the average persons knowledge that can only be attributed to Leftism. Or you are a member of the Religion of Peace.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry dude, the whole world knows that Bush owns the "mission accomplished" message, and in fact was the crux of his speech as he stood below it.
    <"Gee wilickers, if CNN said it, it must be true. Let me check. Yep it's on the internet so it has to be true.">
    May explain how Obama got elected.

    Bush Never Said “Mission Accomplished”

    >" With the leaking Gulf oil well apparently under control, and the spilled oil mysteriously vanishing, the Obama administration has come under pressure from journalists to declare “mission accomplished.” It is understandably unwilling to do this, partly because things could still go wrong and partly because of the phrase’s unfortunate political baggage.

    According to the virtually universal political folk memory, former President George Bush prematurely declared “mission accomplished” in Iraq from the deck of an aircraft carrier in May 2003, when some of the worst fighting still lay ahead.

    We all remember that, don’t we? And if not, Kevin Connolly of BBC News in Washington has just reminded us of Bush’s much mocked statement. Analyzing President Obama’s August 2 announcement that all U.S. combat operations would end in Iraq by the end of the month, Connolly said:

    The president was careful not to repeat the mistake of his predecessor George W. Bush who famously declared that America's mission in Iraq had been accomplished seven years ago - long before the violence and instability were ended.

    But Bush didn’t say that. In fact, in his speech aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, Bush declared: “Our mission continues.” It is true that Bush’s speech, in which he announced the end of major combat operations, was far too triumphant about U.S. military achievements. But he never “famously declared that America’s mission in Iraq had been accomplished.”

    On the contrary, he said that following the fall of Baghdad, “now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country... We have difficult work to do in Iraq. We're bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous.” Bush's goal in Iraq was never purely military – his mission was to bring freedom and democracy to a vital part of the Middle East.

    Here are some more quotes from the speech:

    ■“The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time, but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done and then we will leave and we will leave behind a free Iraq.”
    ■“Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed.”
    ■“The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001 and still goes on.”
    ■“America and our coalition will finish what we have begun.”


    So how did the belief that he declared “mission accomplished” become so deeply embedded in the public consciousness? The reason is that the ship’s crew, in collusion with White House staff, had strung a large banner bearing the words “mission accomplished” behind the spot where Bush was due to speak. The banner was seen on TV throughout the president’s speech. But Bush himself knew nothing about the decision to display the banner, and certainly did not approve it.

    “Irregardless,” as Bush himself used to say, the speech became known as the “mission accomplished” speech, and will probably always be known that way. A striking visual image trumps the spoken word any day. And it’s almost certainly too much to hope that the media will go back and read the speech and see what he actually said. You can forget about renaming it the “mission continues” speech, even if that would be much more accurate. "<

    Bush Never Said

    Maybe it's a Navy thing ?
    http://www.msc.navy.mil/sealift/2007...ft-2007-11.pdf


    >" The "Mission Accomplished" boast has been mocked many times since Mr. Bush's carrier speech as criticism has mounted over the failed search for weapons of mass destruction and the continuing violence in Iraq.

    When it was brought up again Tuesday at a news conference, Mr. Bush said, "The 'Mission Accomplished' sign, of course, was put up by the members of the USS Abraham Lincoln, saying that their mission was accomplished."

    "I know it was attributed somehow to some ingenious advance man from my staff — they weren't that ingenious, by the way."

    That explanation hadn't surfaced during months of questions to White House officials about proclaiming the mission in Iraq successful while violence continued.

    After the news conference, a White House spokeswoman said the Lincoln's crew asked the White House to have the sign made. The White House asked a private vendor to produce the sign, and the crew put it up, said the spokeswoman. She said she did not know who paid for the sign.

    Later, a Pentagon spokesman called The Associated Press to reiterate that the banner was the crew's idea.

    "It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew," Navy Cmdr. Conrad Chun said, adding the president's visit marked the end of the ship's 10-month international deployment..."<

    'Mission Accomplished' Whodunit - CBS News

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is clear to everyone here you are a committed leftist though I'll allow that you don't know you are.

    You apparently don't know much about the Middle East or what Mission Accomplished actually means. These are blank spaces in the average persons knowledge that can only be attributed to Leftism. Or you are a member of the Religion of Peace.
    I'm not a member of any organisations, but I am an advocate for peace. Also, I'm far too critical of the Obama administration to be a lefty. But as I told you elsewhere, its of little consequence whether you correctly identify my politics or citizenship.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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