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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How far should be willing to go in order to secure the border?
    Asked and answered soooo many times. You just don't like the answers presented.

    1) Remove access to ALL services for illegals.
    2) When we catch them here illegally, deport. No excuses.
    3) If we catch you here illegally any future visa for you is off the table.
    4) Asset forfeiture for those caught in-country. Funds to pay for their deportation.
    5) Fine and/or jail anyone caught hiring illegals.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Republican Rep. Mike Rogers, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said Sunday that wholesale changes by Congress may not be necessary and that Obama has the authority to return the children to their native countries. Obama "has tools in his toolbox" to solve quickly what most officials say has become a humanitarian crisis and to deter more children from coming to the U.S., Rogers said.

    Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the author of the provision in the human trafficking law, said a change in regulations, not the law, could speed the children's return.

    The law already allows the departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services to write regulations to deal with "exceptional circumstances" that would allow officials to return the children more quickly to their home countries, Feinstein said.

    Obama may hold fix to flood of immigrant kids
    If Obama and the Dems send the illegals back, they run the risk of alienating the latino voting block by appearing insensitive. Obama asked the Reps for $3.8 billion to fix the border crisis and is getting blocked, because the Reps believe just shipping them back will spread word that coming here is no good.

    Neither side really wants to fix the problem for different reasons from losing cheap labor, costing too much to losing votes.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're wrong. Again, Eisenhower springs to mind. Presidents since have indeed taken border security seriously. Congress is a major sticking point every time. They serve two or more masters. The big money that wants the slave labor, the hippies who want open borders and we the people who want the borders secured.
    I was born and raised on the border. IT'S NEVER BEEN SECURE! I'm glad to see you finally acknowledge big money (big business) isn't interested in secure borders and that both parties pander to big business. Don't hold your breath for secure borders, you'll perish.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Asked and answered soooo many times. You just don't like the answers presented.
    Just how far would you be willing to go?
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Indeed the congress has always been the sticking point. However Obama's actions are his and what he's done has contributed significantly to our current crisis. That's all on him.
    What Obama has done, or should we say, failed to do is all on him, and what every congress and president failed to do before him, is all on them, which combines to equal historic, current and future porous borders. They're NOT going to be secured.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Asked and answered soooo many times. You just don't like the answers presented.

    1) Remove access to ALL services for illegals.
    2) When we catch them here illegally, deport. No excuses.
    3) If we catch you here illegally any future visa for you is off the table.
    4) Asset forfeiture for those caught in-country. Funds to pay for their deportation.
    5) Fine and/or jail anyone caught hiring illegals.
    All that is great, but no president or congress ever has or ever will do it. I agree with you that it should be done, I agree with you that for a brief period Eisenhower positioned a thousand or so troops along the border and stayed illegal crossing somewhat for a period of time. But even during his administration, here's what was going on.



    Walt Edwards, who joined the Border Patrol in 1951, tells a similar story. He says: "When we caught illegal aliens on farms and ranches, the farmer or rancher would often call and complain [to officials in El Paso]. And depending on how politically connected they were, there would be political intervention. That is how we got into this mess we are in now."

    Bill Chambers, who worked for a combined 33 years for the Border Patrol and the then-called US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), says politically powerful people are still fueling the flow of illegals.


    http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html
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    When Americans acknowledge that BIG BUSINESS isn't interested in secure borders, and stops finger pointing back and forth across the isle, and accepts that both parties pander to big business, then maybe we can fix the problem. But then, Americans will never do that. So open borders rule the day, decade, century, whatever. Live with it.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    When Americans acknowledge that BIG BUSINESS isn't interested in secure borders, and stops finger pointing back and forth across the isle, and accepts that both parties pander to big business, then maybe we can fix the problem. But then, Americans will never do that. So open borders rule the day, decade, century, whatever. Live with it.
    Agreed and in this case those same big business forces are using the libs to carry their water. The answer is to re-establish a working migrant visa system.

    However, even big business doesn't want [legal] open borders. The break for them comes from the illegal sector. Their interest is in keeping it illegal and using the illegals.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Already had that job, or one like it when I was younger and working my way up. But if you really want to know why at this point, you haven't been paying attention.
    Fact is. It's unrealistic to toss out 12 million people. The other fact is that they contribute to our economy. Make their status "legal resident" so they can continue being productive and the right-wingers can then go find something else to be paranoid over.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Fact is. It's unrealistic to toss out 12 million people. The other fact is that they contribute to our economy. Make their status "legal resident" so they can continue being productive and the right-wingers can then go find something else to be paranoid over.
    On that first, no it's not, and that little meme has long been countered and found lacking. No one is seriously proposing that it will happen in fell swoop. Deport them and let the liberals go obsess their guilty little minds over something else.

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