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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well it is step one if we actually want to control the border. It's like the war on drugs. No matter what we do, if an illegal can come her, and improve his life, and provide for his family, with a ready job, no amount of troops at the border short of communist level permanent occupation of all 700 miles will stop them. The draw is too great.

    But my main problem with the immigration thing is there is no shortage of venom towards the illegal aliens, but about the only time illegal employers are mentioned is when us libs bring it up, and then it's, "Oh, yeah, the employers should be fined, sure. In the meantime, KICK OUT THE *&%$#$%$$ ILLEGALS@!!!!"
    yep they should be kicked out. they are illegal and don't belong here. they have broken our laws.

    if i break the law i get a ticket or go to jail.

    they break the law they get citizenship. if you don't see the stupidity in that i don't know what to tell you.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

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    then it is up to their government to get it under control and deal with the situation.

    no it is not a humanitarian crisis it is an illegal immigration crisis. by allowing them to stay and not send them back you only encourage more of them to come here.

    yep we put them on a plane back to their own country and fine their country for the cost. tell them we will continue to do it until they stop these kids from coming here. it isn't just kids there are over 250k illegal immigrants that have been caught because obama keeps promising amnesty and immigration reform which to liberals is amnesty.

    yes this is simple. it isn't complicated. they don't belong here. you send them back.
    It's both. Do you think parents send their kids on a journey to a foreign country because it's fine where they are but they'd like for their kids to have a better chance? No. These kids are often living in hellholes where it's join a violent gang or die, and your family dies. Literally, that is their choice. If you want to say we have no responsibility for that crisis, OK, that's fine, but pretending it doesn't exist so you don't have to make that moral choice is just not an honest approach.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yep they should be kicked out. they are illegal and don't belong here. they have broken our laws.
    The illegal employers who are providing the draw for them being here, or the illegal aliens?

    if i break the law i get a ticket or go to jail.

    they break the law they get citizenship. if you don't see the stupidity in that i don't know what to tell you.
    As I said, I'm for enforcing our border AND interior enforcement. Sheesh, the reason the GOP really, really wants amnesty, same as democrats, is cheap foreign labor is good for business. If you want to do some good as a movement, that's the place where we can make real progress. I've heard of people trying to work in Germany for example. You can't GIVE A SPEECH there without a work permit, can't get paid 5 cents. And it's enforced.

    Here, I can get in my car, drive to the first nice neighborhood, and I'll find a dozen employers of illegals in that neighborhood. As many illegal employers as there are yard crews, most likely. You know what - I don't blame the people mowing lawns and getting paid low wages. I blame the employers who make money off their labor, and who are why that guy mowing lawns is here.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's both. Do you think parents send their kids on a journey to a foreign country because it's fine where they are but they'd like for their kids to have a better chance? No. These kids are often living in hellholes where it's join a violent gang or die, and your family dies. Literally, that is their choice. If you want to say we have no responsibility for that crisis, OK, that's fine, but pretending it doesn't exist so you don't have to make that moral choice is just not an honest approach.
    The problem begins at the source, and that should be dealt with. But on the other hand, Obama is not one who will let a crisis go to waste and his intention is to overwhelm the system. That's why he can relax and play pool and let this go on.

    The man is not stupid. This is all deliberate on his part and it's time everyone realized that, rather then believing it's incompetence or a misguided humanitarian effort.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's both. Do you think parents send their kids on a journey to a foreign country because it's fine where they are but they'd like for their kids to have a better chance? No. These kids are often living in hellholes where it's join a violent gang or die, and your family dies. Literally, that is their choice. If you want to say we have no responsibility for that crisis, OK, that's fine, but pretending it doesn't exist so you don't have to make that moral choice is just not an honest approach.
    But that's nothing new and it's not a excuse to drop off their poverty, disease and gang violence on innocent American communities.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    But that's nothing new and it's not a excuse to drop off their poverty, disease and gang violence on innocent American communities.
    If you want to have a civil discussion, you might not brush 12 million with the crimes of a few. We've got a few native born gang bangers and these kids are in many cases FLEEING gangs. And all these people are getting screened - we're not moving known gang bangers into houses in Idaho.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The problem begins at the source, and that should be dealt with. But on the other hand, Obama is not one who will let a crisis go to waste and his intention is to overwhelm the system. That's why he can relax and play pool and let this go on.

    The man is not stupid. This is all deliberate on his part and it's time everyone realized that, rather then believing it's incompetence or a misguided humanitarian effort.
    What advantage is it to him to overwhelm the system? So he can harden the position of the GOP and make any immigration bill so toxic that nothing can pass for a generation? That's how this crisis is unfolding for Obama now. If he's playing 11 dimensional chess by ginning up a crisis, it's failing miserably to help him get to his goals.

    If he was smart, he'd want a peaceful, stable border. Same reason when Bush decided to push for 'reform' he decided to crack down on the border, not open it up. That's what a cynical politician does, then when the amnesty passes, THAT is when you cut ICE by half if you want to bring down the U.S. of A. and make it into a third world state so Obama becomes dictator for life, etc.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    imo, they had no idea this was going to blow up this badly

    my "guess" is that they wanted the pubs to look mean spirited, and anti immigration

    maybe they thought the pictures of thousands of kids would change the attitudes of americans

    what they failed to think about was that we have enough issues of our own right now

    and those arent being solved.....why would the american public want to add to their already loaded plate of problems

    i know....all speculation....but i bet a few on here agree with theory
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    imo, they had no idea this was going to blow up this badly

    my "guess" is that they wanted the pubs to look mean spirited, and anti immigration

    maybe they thought the pictures of thousands of kids would change the attitudes of americans

    what they failed to think about was that we have enough issues of our own right now

    and those arent being solved.....why would the american public want to add to their already loaded plate of problems

    i know....all speculation....but i bet a few on here agree with theory
    Your watching a charade, the same one you've been looking at for decades if you've been around. NO administration, party or congress has ever taken this bull by the horns. The partisan finger pointing you see around here only damages chances for a solution. You will NOT see this border secure, it never has been, and it never will be. Big business has no good use for open borders, both parties quite naturally pander to big business. Dems do nothing to secure our borders while GOPer's slap them around for it. And then they proceed to do nothing when they hold the WH.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's both. Do you think parents send their kids on a journey to a foreign country because it's fine where they are but they'd like for their kids to have a better chance? No. These kids are often living in hellholes where it's join a violent gang or die, and your family dies. Literally, that is their choice. If you want to say we have no responsibility for that crisis, OK, that's fine, but pretending it doesn't exist so you don't have to make that moral choice is just not an honest approach.
    No we don't have a responsibility for that. It is up to their government to get it under control.

    There are already places like that in the US.

    I am not pretending it doesn't exist no where did i say that. It isn't a humanitarian problem it is an illegal immigration problem. that is what we as the US have to deal with.
    I am sorry their country is a POS that doesn't mean we take everyone in that lives like that. we don't have the economy or the resources.

    We send them back to where they belong and urge their government to stop and fix their country.

    we have laws. if they want to come here fine but they have to do it legally.

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