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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think your opinion is anchored to your bias.



    Frank Keating, head of the American Bankers Association, has finally come clean about big business' ultimate immigration reform goal — totally open borders with the unrestricted movement of millions of foreign workers into the United States.

    Immigration Reform: American Bankers Association Chief Calls for Open Borders and Amnesty | Center for Immigration Studies
    Bias can be formed in many ways. It's not a good idea to assume it's always ideological.

    An uneducated illiterate workforce is somewhat useless related to what is needed. Massive sums of money are in play to push a One World Social Justice Economic model. Absorbing the cost of other countries liabilities is part of that game. Those liabilities are not just monetary, but they are also human.

    For example, here in Southern California, "Spanification" of a workforce (Meaning Spanish as the common language in the workforce) is a real and economically damaging result of the governments refusal to enforce immigration laws already on the books. Of course, then there is the harm that has been done to public education, etc.

    The suggestion that illegal aliens made legal will help secure Social Security and other entitlement programs is laughable at best. In my experience, most illegal aliens use stolen or fraudulent ID's, and have SS and other taxes withheld, which they will never collect.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Bias can be formed in many ways. It's not a good idea to assume it's always ideological.

    An uneducated illiterate workforce is somewhat useless related to what is needed. Massive sums of money are in play to push a One World Social Justice Economic model. Absorbing the cost of other countries liabilities is part of that game. Those liabilities are not just monetary, but they are also human.

    For example, here in Southern California, "Spanification" of a workforce (Meaning Spanish as the common language in the workforce) is a real and economically damaging result of the governments refusal to enforce immigration laws already on the books. Of course, then there is the harm that has been done to public education, etc.

    The suggestion that illegal aliens made legal will help secure Social Security and other entitlement programs is laughable at best. In my experience, most illegal aliens use stolen or fraudulent ID's, and have SS and other taxes withheld, which they will never collect.
    The government has refused to enforce laws already on the books for decades. That's because it's not in the interest of big business, and both parties pander to big business. Said it several different ways, proved to you that it's what big business is pushing, as pointed out in Keating's statement above, it's the epitome of globalization, but have it your way ocean.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The government has refused to enforce laws already on the books for decades. That's because it's not in the interest of big business, and both parties pander to big business. Said it several different ways, proved to you that it's what big business is pushing, as pointed out in Keating's statement above, it's the epitome of globalization, but have it your way ocean.
    Thanks for the effort, but yes I will have it my way, as I see a much bigger picture at play. You're seeing just Big Business, I'm suggesting it goes way beyond that.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    maybe if the government hadn't driven them across the border to begin with. they went across the border for a reason.
    So do the illegals.

    And they offshored for cheap labor, the regulation and tax thing simply doesn't measure up to 32 semi skilled laborers for 14-16 hrs/day out the door for what one burger flipper gets here for eight (plus labor burden). A whole factory's worth of labor for what they pay one here.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    the canadian border is longer

    but that doesnt answer my question

    do you believe that more illegals cross the canadian border?

    do you believe more drugs cross the canadian border?

    our problem is to the south....that may not be PC, but it is true

    the estimations i have read put the number at over 300k annually crossing from the south

    that to me, is a HUGE issue
    I agree its a problem.

    I find it suspiscious that our society is being taught to hate people for simply trying to make a better life for themselves instead of those who created jobs for them.

    In a world where e-verify exists, bankrupting a few folks for using illegal labor would send a message clear enough that it would dry up the jobs. And if they can't work they won't come. The stragglers can be dealt with.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the two remain very different, actually
    the employer who moves for lower costs of labor does so legally. our nation has no right to deprive him of that border crossing

    the employee comes here illegally in search of work. our country has an authority to deprive him of that employment. whether we have the will to exercise that authority is central to this discussion
    We certainly can regulate offshoring. We just don't.

    When I see real efforts to go after those who employ them instead of messages designed to make people angry and hateful towards their fellow man I'll take the issue more seriously.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    We certainly can regulate offshoring. We just don't.

    When I see real efforts to go after those who employ them instead of messages designed to make people angry and hateful towards their fellow man I'll take the issue more seriously.

    Obscene fines with bounties.
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    please explain in what way the USA can regulate the business' ability to operate in another country
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
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    please explain in what way the USA can regulate the business' ability to operate in another country
    Tariffs and duties and whatnot. Taxation.

    They can simply leave, but access to our markets can be controlled as well as benefits that come from being based here.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I believe the recent influx of illegals is an orchestrated event by the left, which includes the Obama Administration.
    LOL....because there have never been an "illegal immigration" problem before Obama. Wow....are you people serious? Sometimes I wonder if the personas are all caricatures. Doh!
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    LOL....because there have never been an "illegal immigration" problem before Obama. Wow....are you people serious? Sometimes I wonder if the personas are all caricatures. Doh!
    Your witnessing an unprecedented hatred of one man. US borders have always been porous, and no administration, nor any congress has ever really done anything to change that, here's why,

    Frank Keating, head of the American Bankers Association, has finally come clean about big business' ultimate immigration reform goal — totally open borders with the unrestricted movement of millions of foreign workers into the United States.

    And both parties pander to big business.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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