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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Nothing there changes my opinion. Thanks for the link though.
    You're welcome for the link, though I'm sorry it failed to communicate big businesses interests in open borders to you.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So if someone crosses the border they're causing wage suppression but if a business owner takes your job across the border they're just good businessmen?
    well, it's not actually your job. it's employment you had been willing to do at a specified location for specified compensation
    you would probably be welcome to follow that job you had been performing, assuming you are willing to accept the wage rate at the new location said job to be performed
    welcome to the realities of comparative advantage
    and some of the outcomes are positive
    such as the expenditures on apparel. the asians have decimated the American textile industry. bad for textile/affiliated industry workers, but good for consumers
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You welcome for the link, though I'm sorry it failed to communicate big businesses interests in open borders to you.
    My disagreement centers on who "Big Business" is supposed to be, and why they would advocate for open borders.

    In my opinion, the open borders idea is being pushed by those forces who have "Social Justice" agendas to sell.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    well, it's not actually your job. it's employment you had been willing to do at a specified location for specified compensation
    you would probably be welcome to follow that job you had been performing, assuming you are willing to accept the wage rate at the new location said job to be performed
    welcome to the realities of comparative advantage
    and some of the outcomes are positive
    such as the expenditures on apparel. the asians have decimated the American textile industry. bad for textile/affiliated industry workers, but good for consumers
    graph clothing cost decline.jpg
    Still don't see the functional difference. Wage depression is the result in both cases.

    Illegals cost us money is services, outsourcers cost us revenue from taxes.

    Two sides of the same coin.

    And I'm still not convinced consumers are getting as good a deal as we're being told. Seems like we're getting lower quality at a lower price, which has always been the case.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    maybe one day

    when people stock flocking over that border,

    right now, our major problem is the southern border

    or do you think the canadian border allows more illegals in?
    Its longer and more hospitable.

    The govt has failed miserably to stop drug importation, so...
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why not instead offer a 'bounty' to those (usually co-workers) who identify to ICE the illegals who are being illegally employed. that bounty would be paid from the illegal employer's fine
    Something like that. I'm convinced that's the route to take, go after those who employ them. They're the criminals in this scenario.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Still don't see the functional difference. Wage depression is the result in both cases.

    Illegals cost us money is services, outsourcers cost us revenue from taxes.

    Two sides of the same coin.

    And I'm still not convinced consumers are getting as good a deal as we're being told. Seems like we're getting lower quality at a lower price, which has always been the case.
    actually two different scenarios

    in one instance, the employer acted legally in moving across the border to a lower wage rate locale

    in the other, the employee relocated illegally to work a job illegally

    hardly the same coin
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Something like that. I'm convinced that's the route to take, go after those who employ them. They're the criminals in this scenario.
    Besides, if capitalism has any lessons the first must be that as long as there's a demand, the supply will happen.
    Employers should be able to hire whomever they choose. What we need is a modern day Bracero program in place.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Employers should be able to hire whomever they choose. What we need is a modern day Bracero program in place.
    Let's not, it was just slavery warmed over. We do need a migrant visa program that is enforceable and strictly enforced in it's treatment of migrants. We should not allow migrant families. The individual comes here, works, and is treated like any other American worker in conditions and pay, then they return home to their families.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    actually two different scenarios

    in one instance, the employer acted legally in moving across the border to a lower wage rate locale

    in the other, the employee relocated illegally to work a job illegally

    hardly the same coin
    Being able to arrange for it to be legal doesn't change the fact that its functionally the same thing.
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