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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Many people, including Republicans, actively object to rewarding those who break the law by entering our country illegally. It's a slap in the face to those who do follow the law and take the steps necessary to legally become a citizen, and it's an insult to those who are watching what is being done to further an agenda - and that includes many Democrats and third partiers. Only the radicals, who hope to benefit somehow, are in accord with what he's doing. Obama's job approval has been consistently dropping, with more than 65 to 70 percent of the people saying the same thing. Most pollsters are careful about getting a good mix in polling, and take pains to include all parties in their polls. The Republicans are being blamed by Obama - what else is new - but he should be concerned about the people in his own party who object to what he's doing, since they're going to have to live with the results! They are Americans first, unlike what we see going on in DC, where it's party first, and the rest be damned!

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    How many of our low skilled citizens will work in the meat packing industry on an slaughter house assembly line driving bolts into cattle's heads? These types of jobs have always been worked by immigrants. They work jobs that American citizens turn their noses up at.
    if illegals are not available to do those jobs for cheap, Americans will step in and perform any of those low skill jobs at a fair wage
    short of engaging in immoral/illegal behavior, most of us would work for a fair wage
    but if you want the work to be done cheaply, hire a illegal ... that's what they're here for
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if illegals are not available to do those jobs for cheap, Americans will step in and perform any of those low skill jobs at a fair wage
    short of engaging in immoral/illegal behavior, most of us would work for a fair wage
    but if you want the work to be done cheaply, hire a illegal ... that's what they're here for
    I agree. They are either going to find someone to do the work or move to where workers are present to do the work.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    How many of our low skilled citizens will work in the meat packing industry on an slaughter house assembly line driving bolts into cattle's heads? These types of jobs have always been worked by immigrants. They work jobs that American citizens turn their noses up at.
    Kind of a quagmire. We want them to do the stoop labor in our fields but want them to drive back across the border before dark.

    Up here in Washington state the apple growers are entirely dependent on migrant farm workers to pick their apples. It is a fact of life.

    How many here have relatives that relocate to farm regions during their crop production? Or for that matter how many here follow the seasonal production of crops?

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Why not go after those who employ illegal immigrants, toss a few in jail? They're the ones causing the problem. I mean, talk about cynical, self-serving greed! Lock 'em up, confiscate their businesses and see how fast the whole problem gets solved.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    How many of our low skilled citizens will work in the meat packing industry on an slaughter house assembly line driving bolts into cattle's heads? These types of jobs have always been worked by immigrants. They work jobs that American citizens turn their noses up at.
    maybe, just maybe they wouldnt turn their noses up at those jobs, if they had no other way to put food in their mouths

    the old adage beggars cant be choosy.....

    also....so many talk about minimum wage, and low paying jobs on here

    if no one is willing to do at $ 9.00 an hour, the company will be forced to pay more, or shut down

    it might cause some prices to spike (especially produce and meats) but it is the cure that ails all
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Americans did every job in America before the Mexicans showed up to steal those jobs. Pretending that Americans won't do those jobs is absolute nonsense.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I agree. They are either going to find someone to do the work or move to where workers are present to do the work.
    and that is what we have seen, in instances where the jobs can be performed elsewhere
    comparative advantage is a fundamental economic truism. why should you spend your resources fulfilling demand when it can be fulfilled elsewhere cheaper. the invisible hand is going to cause purchases to be made from the cheaper vendor

    but i would submit there are a massive number of jobs that cannot be moved to where cheaper workers are available. which is why we should not allow cheaper illegals to be able to continue to work here. it depresses the wage rate for our under-skilled American citizens
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Why not go after those who employ illegal immigrants, toss a few in jail? They're the ones causing the problem. I mean, talk about cynical, self-serving greed! Lock 'em up, confiscate their businesses and see how fast the whole problem gets solved.
    why not instead offer a 'bounty' to those (usually co-workers) who identify to ICE the illegals who are being illegally employed. that bounty would be paid from the illegal employer's fine
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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