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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Huh ?

    This influx of diseased illegals is happening for a reason.

    Or do you believe this is just a coincidence ?
    Of course it's not coincidental. Decades of porous borders and lax immigration policy through multiple administrations has welcomed the illegal entry of immigrants. Neither party has ever taken this bull by the horns, nor will they. Why its so difficult to understand is strange, but big business benefits by open borders, and both parties pander to big business. This isn't going to change.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Mainly because they strengthen the economy. Keeping them out is protectionism and it makes us poorer than we otherwise would be. Because wealth is not fixed, and more can always be created, so too are jobs. And if you have more people doing more things than could otherwise be done just with the native population, you by definition have more wealth, and by effect, more jobs. Our current laws block entry to low skilled immigrants, and high skilled immigrants if there are no more visas. The only chance for the former to get in legally, is to have someone in the U.S. who is naturalized or a born citizen that' they're either married to, or otherwise related. Most immigrants don't have such connections, thus, they could follow the legal process, and we would never let them in. Because this is the case, they are incentivized to simply shirk the law to come here anyway. And I for one can't blame them for that, the law shirked them first.
    in an economy where we need more workers it does make sense to expand the numbers of legal immigrants who are allowed to immigrate
    but that is not our present circumstance. we have an over-abundance of under-skilled citizens. they need work. but their opportunities for employment are diminished by each illegal alien who is holding a job
    we deprive our own citizens an opportunity for work by allowing illegals to remain employed
    now, for business owners who are looking to maximize profitability, i can appreciate that the availability of low wage workers helps them meet those profitability goals. but it does so to the diminishment of our own citizens. and that is very wrong
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Of course it's not coincidental. Decades of porous borders and lax immigration policy through multiple administrations has welcomed the illegal entry of immigrants. Neither party has ever taken this bull by the horns, nor will they. Why its so difficult to understand is strange, but big business benefits by open borders, and both parties pander to big business. This isn't going to change.
    I think there has been a change in how many legal citizens view the current situation, along with the policies that have been put in place by the Obama Administration. Republican voters seem to have made it very clear they are not interested in being taken for a ride again by the lies of the Immigration Activists, and have let their representatives know.

    Immigration Reform that includes amnesty is a third rail issue that a majority of registered Republicans seem willing to risk all to stop. It's a bit disingenuous to equate current policy coming from the Obama Administration to immigration efforts by previous administrations.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I think there has been a change in how many legal citizens view the current situation, along with the policies that have been put in place by the Obama Administration. Republican voters seem to have made it very clear they are not interested in being taken for a ride again by the lies of the Immigration Activists, and have let their representatives know.

    Immigration Reform that includes amnesty is a third rail issue that a majority of registered Republicans seem willing to risk all to stop. It's a bit disingenuous to equate current policy coming from the Obama Administration to immigration efforts by previous administrations.
    I don't agree with that ocean. Border policy during the Clinton administration may have been better than the Bush administration policies, but injurious to American workers just the same. You are mistaken if you think ANY president is going to secure our borders. That's not in the interests of big business. But blaming it all on Obama feels good I know.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't agree with that ocean. Border policy during the Clinton administration may have been better than the Bush administration policies, but injurious to American workers just the same. You are mistaken if you think ANY president is going to secure our borders. That's not in the interests of big business. But blaming it all on Obama feels good I know.
    Perhaps you missed the fact that I did not blame all of the immigration problems on President Obama. What I did do is offer that the policies he has adopted and that he has directed through EO's has taken the problem to a new level.

    When Sen. Pelosi is on the border welcoming the invaders with open arms, and the President is adopting unilateral "Dream Act" type responses to illegal invaders already here, one has to be willfully running away from the truth in order to view this as being on par with other administrations.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    in an economy where we need more workers it does make sense to expand the numbers of legal immigrants who are allowed to immigrate
    but that is not our present circumstance. we have an over-abundance of under-skilled citizens. they need work. but their opportunities for employment are diminished by each illegal alien who is holding a job
    we deprive our own citizens an opportunity for work by allowing illegals to remain employed
    now, for business owners who are looking to maximize profitability, i can appreciate that the availability of low wage workers helps them meet those profitability goals. but it does so to the diminishment of our own citizens. and that is very wrong
    How many of our low skilled citizens will work in the meat packing industry on an slaughter house assembly line driving bolts into cattle's heads? These types of jobs have always been worked by immigrants. They work jobs that American citizens turn their noses up at.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps you missed the fact that I did not blame all of the immigration problems on President Obama. What I did do is offer that the policies he has adopted and that he has directed through EO's has taken the problem to a new level.

    When Sen. Pelosi is on the border welcoming the invaders with open arms, and the President is adopting unilateral "Dream Act" type responses to illegal invaders already here, one has to be willfully running away from the truth in order to view this as being on par with other administrations.
    Ok, if you want to quibble over which administrations border policies have been more injurious to American workers interests, I'll grant you Obama is number one and Reagan is number two. Now acknowledge this, while some have been worse than others, no administration has secured our borders, open borders are good for big business, the influx of illegals provides low wages and has the added benefit of driving down American workers wages. Both parties pander to big business, and that's your enemy!!
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, if you want to quibble over which administrations border policies have been more injurious to American workers interests, ill grant you Obama is number one and Reagan is number two. Now acknowledge this, while some have been worse than others, no administration has secured our borders, open borders are good for big business, the influx of illegals provides low wages and has the added benefit of driving down American workers wages. Both parties pander to big business, and that's your enemy!!
    The Amnesty Plan Reagan signed specifically called for securing the border. Congress did not follow through with their obligation under the legislation. However, as it stands, no administration has secured the border. Frankly, it can never be secured.

    I'm not in agreement with the Big Business excuse regarding illegal immigration. The facts aren't there to support the theory, although the idea does fall in the bashing big business agenda, so I understand the push. A rational guest worker program seems to be what is being supported. Blanket amnesty is a deal breaker for Republicans who value their political lives.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I think there has been a change in how many legal citizens view the current situation, along with the policies that have been put in place by the Obama Administration. Republican voters seem to have made it very clear they are not interested in being taken for a ride again by the lies of the Immigration Activists, and have let their representatives know.

    Immigration Reform that includes amnesty is a third rail issue that a majority of registered Republicans seem willing to risk all to stop. It's a bit disingenuous to equate current policy coming from the Obama Administration to immigration efforts by previous administrations.
    Many people, including Republicans, actively object to rewarding those who break the law by entering our country illegally. It's a slap in the face to those who do follow the law and take the steps necessary to legally become a citizen, and it's an insult to those who are watching what is being done to further an agenda - and that includes many Democrats and third partiers. Only the radicals, who hope to benefit somehow, are in accord with what he's doing. Obama's job approval has been consistently dropping, with more than 65 to 70 percent of the people saying the same thing. Most pollsters are careful about getting a good mix in polling, and take pains to include all parties in their polls. The Republicans are being blamed by Obama - what else is new - but he should be concerned about the people in his own party who object to what he's doing, since they're going to have to live with the results! They are Americans first, unlike what we see going on in DC, where it's party first, and the rest be damned!

    Greetings, ocean515.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The Amnesty Plan Reagan signed specifically called for securing the border. Congress did not follow through with their obligation under the legislation. However, as it stands, no administration has secured the border. Frankly, it can never be secured.

    I'm not in agreement with the Big Business excuse regarding illegal immigration. The facts aren't there to support the theory, although the idea does fall in the bashing big business agenda, so I understand the push. A rational guest worker program seems to be what is being supported. Blanket amnesty is a deal breaker for Republicans who value their political lives.
    Read this article to learn how big business wants open borders!

    True economic liberty means more open borders - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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