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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Gosh, one would think they really do have crystal balls in D.C....

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    For some who believe this issue has also recently exploded due to Obama might also want to read up on NAFTA and the long term effects. This is a rather older artice but I think it still shows some of the effects we are seeing even now:

    Illegal Immigration and NAFTA | Economy In Crisis

    When, before now, did we have thousands of unaccompanied minors, some in diapers, all unvaccinated and some with TB flooding across our borders? I'll be waiting for the answer.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by mmc View Post
    who was behind nafta? Who's creation was it? Yes both sides wanted the money. That doesn't change who brought it all about.

    Oh and like i said.....who increased the amount of kids by issuing an eo that stated some kids from before 2007 would be allowed to stay here? You can't say that bo hasn't tried to play off this issue and has been part of creating this crisis, can you?


    the united states said it would launch a $40 million program to improve security in guatemala to reduce pressures forcing flight to united states and a $25 million program to provide services to youth in el salvador who are vulnerable to organized-crime pressure, the white house said in a statement......snip~

    how does this lessen what it taking place on our southern border?

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Oh what are you yapping about. There plenty you can do. Most of its not very nice or Christian, but there is plenty that can be done to dissuade border jumpers.
    Perhaps Texmex is, himself, part of the problem and not part of the solution.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL.

    I'm afraid there is much digging left for you to do. Having learned to require others to do the lifting for you, that may not be possible.

    I do have a question. Since it is against the law to enter this country illegally, why do you think Nancy Pelosi went to the border the other day and said the following:

    "This crisis that some call a crisis, we have to view as an opportunity," Pelosi said. "If you believe as we do that every child, every person has a spark of divinity in them, and is therefore worthy of respect -- what we saw in those rooms was [a] dazzling, sparkling, array of God's children, worthy of respect."
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    I have no idea, you'd have to ask Pelosi. I think you have me wrong here. I firmly believe that a sovereign nation the right to control their of system of immigration, the US especially. It is my opinion, that our government, in complete collusion with commerce (corporations, businesses, et al) have slowly been allowing Mexicans, in particular, to surreptitiously enter the US since the 50's, as a cheap and exploitable labor commodity. It has only been in this last decade or so that the citizens finally started to notice it and by then, it was too late.

    I'm a stoic pragmatist. I realize what the government and corporations did. Once that cheap labor no longer was cheap, those two entities had clandestinely started to strip our industries and jobs overseas where it was even cheaper and more profitable. I see people becoming inhuman animals fighting over what pitifully few well paying middle class jobs exist, like dogs over a bone. The Mexicans did not create this situation, and I have nothing but contempt for the stupid and foolish people who heap hate and abuse on them while ignorantly and willfully ignoring the real cause of our plight.....the corporations. I'm also a humanist and will always champion the natural rights of any flesh and blood individual over any corporation or business.

    Getting back to my point, being a pragmatist means that we cannot stop this influx at the border and spending money on it is useless. The only practical solution at this point is immigration reform. Those who oppose it are up against both political parties who salivate over the additional votes and a corporate mindset that is already profiting to the tune of billions of dollars by catering to the illegal market.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Refugees, may have lost their older companion during the trip. Human trafficking is also a huge issue, which many here ignore. And yes some disgusting people may try to traffic an infant.
    So you think the thousands of unaccompanied minors pouring into our country jus 'lost their older companion' or that they are being 'trafficked?' You are so out of touch with reality, you simply cannot add anything to this discussion.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I was being flippant, as noted in the first sentence of my post. The point being, if you advertise a goodie, people without many or any goodies are going too want to try to get some. It's simply human nature.

    As I understand it, and there's been some talk about NAFTA, these are not Mexicans making their way north because NAFTA has actually benefited Mexico and helped retain workers in that country. The problem is with non-NAFTA or free trade countries in Central America, south of Mexico, with no economy and no hope and the Mexican authorities seem to shuffle these people right through Mexico and on to America.

    As a result, it may be of benefit to America to start pumping more foreign relief money and economic benefit into these poor Central American countries and spend less in areas like the Middle East and South East Asia, if only as a means to stem the invasion from the south.
    Really. LOL. Our budget is already so overburdened with debt that we can't borrow more. China and the banks already own us. So you propose that we borrow more to provide 'relief' money? A better suggestion would be to escort every bus load across the US up to Canada. There. Problem solved with just the cost of a little gas.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Gosh, one would think they really do have crystal balls in D.C....
    If they're using crystal balls, I think they need to get to a repair shop ASAP! Maybe they could check the same place BHO used to get his laser looked at - the one he used to focus on jobs in 2010, 2011, 2012 etc.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    I have no idea, you'd have to ask Pelosi. I think you have me wrong here. I firmly believe that a sovereign nation the right to control their of system of immigration, the US especially. It is my opinion, that our government, in complete collusion with commerce (corporations, businesses, et al) have slowly been allowing Mexicans, in particular, to surreptitiously enter the US since the 50's, as a cheap and exploitable labor commodity. It has only been in this last decade or so that the citizens finally started to notice it and by then, it was too late.

    I'm a stoic pragmatist. I realize what the government and corporations did. Once that cheap labor no longer was cheap, those two entities had clandestinely started to strip our industries and jobs overseas where it was even cheaper and more profitable. I see people becoming inhuman animals fighting over what pitifully few well paying middle class jobs exist, like dogs over a bone. The Mexicans did not create this situation, and I have nothing but contempt for the stupid and foolish people who heap hate and abuse on them while ignorantly and willfully ignoring the real cause of our plight.....the corporations. I'm also a humanist and will always champion the natural rights of any flesh and blood individual over any corporation or business.

    Getting back to my point, being a pragmatist means that we cannot stop this influx at the border and spending money on it is useless. The only practical solution at this point is immigration reform. Those who oppose it are up against both political parties who salivate over the additional votes and a corporate mindset that is already profiting to the tune of billions of dollars by catering to the illegal market.

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    Thanks for the clarification. There are many opinions on the matter. Yours is one, and I reject it. Know the truth, and the enemy behind it.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    So you think the thousands of unaccompanied minors pouring into our country jus 'lost their older companion' or that they are being 'trafficked?' You are so out of touch with reality, you simply cannot add anything to this discussion.
    No I don't - YOU are the one who asked why a child in diapers would come here unaccompanied and if they would have a work visa and I gave you a couple answers how a baby in diapers would end up here unaccompanied. If you have to ask, it seems you are out of touch with reality on how and why they ended up here.
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