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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    I don't want to be flippant, but realistically if you're advertising that you're going to be lenient and waive the law for young people in the country a certain period of time, you're bound to get all kinds of new children finding their way into the country and presented by existing residents as children who've been in the country for a long time.

    Now, if you advertised that there's a shoot to kill order for anyone discovered trying to cross the border illegally at other than regulated border crossings, you'd likely have fewer taking the risk. Alternately, if you advertised that anyone discovered crossing the border illegally would be sent to internment camps for a minimum of 5 years and then deported, you'd likely have fewer taking the risk.

    It's only human nature. If you tell a child that they can't have icecream but if they can find a way to break into the icecream parlour you'll give them a banana split, with no penalty if they fail, you're going to have lots of kids trying to find a way to break in.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    NAFTA was bad trade policy, and has had a detrimental impact on manufacturing in the U.S.. The continued illegal invasion of the United States supported and encouraged by the Obama Administration and it's backers and supporters has nothing to do with it.
    Heya O5. BO has known for the last 2-3years. Plush is EO in 2012.....was like a Shout Out for kids all over Central America. From NPR. So the problem has become more of crisis than it ever was before.




    From A Stream To A Flood: Migrant Kids Overwhelm U.S. Border Agents.....
    Migrants like Romero are creating a humanitarian crisis for federal border authorities.

    In the Rio Grande Valley, currently the nation's hotspot, the Border Patrol catches about 700 people a day, and 20 percent of them are youngsters traveling alone. crossing he rest are adults, some with children. The numbers have been steadily climbing for the past two to three years.

    "We're a short-term hold [facility]. We're not looking to hold anything more than one to two days, preferably 12 hours," says Cabrera. "And in some cases we're hitting about seven, eight to 10 days holding some people." The station doesn't have showers, a recreation area or proper bedding. The intention is to process the detainees as quickly as possible and then move the children to shelters that are being opened around the country. From there, caseworkers find family members who will take care of the children until they appear in immigration court.

    Part of the solution, say Obama administration officials, is changing expectations.....snip~

    http://capeandislands.org/post/strea...-border-agents

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's ridiculous, americanwoman provided documentation and there's plenty more. Your hatred for Obama is clouding your ability to be objective and acknowledge that both parties own our failed border security problem, neither of them having done a damn thing to secure our borders beyond window dressing. And partisan finger pointing won't accomplish it either.
    Blah blah, hatred for Obama, clouding judgement, etc. etc.

    Americanwoman provided a dubious report from McClatchy from over 3 years ago that blamed NAFTA for corn imports that caused millions of illegal alien farmers to enter the US. That's absurd. I live in Southern California, I'm not seeing former corn farmers among the millions of illegal aliens living across the region.

    So, since your finger pointing while not finger pointing, what's the plan?

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But I agree, that is one of the problems, however, I'm shocked you would deny that NAFTA is also a problem and has been a factor in driving these people to our borders to begin with!!
    Well, I consider NAFTA to be minor compared to any FP that needs to be taking place with Mexico. So they have a clear understanding where they stand in the thick of things.

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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya O5. BO has known for the last 2-3years. Plush is EO in 2012.....was like a Shout Out for kids all over Central America. From NPR. So the problem has become more of crisis than it ever was before.




    From A Stream To A Flood: Migrant Kids Overwhelm U.S. Border Agents.....
    Migrants like Romero are creating a humanitarian crisis for federal border authorities.

    In the Rio Grande Valley, currently the nation's hotspot, the Border Patrol catches about 700 people a day, and 20 percent of them are youngsters traveling alone. crossing he rest are adults, some with children. The numbers have been steadily climbing for the past two to three years.

    "We're a short-term hold [facility]. We're not looking to hold anything more than one to two days, preferably 12 hours," says Cabrera. "And in some cases we're hitting about seven, eight to 10 days holding some people." The station doesn't have showers, a recreation area or proper bedding. The intention is to process the detainees as quickly as possible and then move the children to shelters that are being opened around the country. From there, caseworkers find family members who will take care of the children until they appear in immigration court.

    Part of the solution, say Obama administration officials, is changing expectations.....snip~

    From A Stream To A Flood: Migrant Kids Overwhelm U.S. Border Agents | WCAI
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I have no idea what specific policy or law is responsible for this new wave. That's the bothersome part.
    The specific policy that is responsible is Obama passing of the "Dream Act" by executive order.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    20 million or so have already violated our borders without documentation, so yes, they can cross without documentation.

    And yes, it is a major problem.
    I realty was inquiring about the border patrol check points, not open countryside.
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't want to be flippant, but realistically if you're advertising that you're going to be lenient and waive the law for young people in the country a certain period of time, you're bound to get all kinds of new children finding their way into the country and presented by existing residents as children who've been in the country for a long time.

    Now, if you advertised that there's a shoot to kill order for anyone discovered trying to cross the border illegally at other than regulated border crossings, you'd likely have fewer taking the risk. Alternately, if you advertised that anyone discovered crossing the border illegally would be sent to internment camps for a minimum of 5 years and then deported, you'd likely have fewer taking the risk.

    It's only human nature. If you tell a child that they can't have icecream but if they can find a way to break into the icecream parlour you'll give them a banana split, with no penalty if they fail, you're going to have lots of kids trying to find a way to break in.


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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So there hasn't been a steady influx of illegals before Obama? Come on, you have got to be kidding me that you think is because of OBama we have an influx of illegals. We've had this for DECADES.
    True. BUT .....what is happening now is that thousands of MINORS, some in diapers, who will not be workers in our society for many years to come. They are unvaccinated, and many are ill, some even have TB. Border Patrol is overwhelmed and some of the workers have taken sick due to catching diseases the children have. In fact, in the OP the article states that many were taken to the hospital because they were ill. Who do you think will pay for these hospital visits?
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    Re: Protesters block buses carrying undocumented immigrants in California

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    easy setup border towers and used unmanned drones and other surveillance equipment. we start billing other nations for their capture and return.
    no we don't need anymore unskilled workers we already have enough unskilled people in this country.

    end the baby anchor laws and the citizenship status for illegals coming into america.

    if you make the situation for them bad they will leave on their own. any company caught hiring illegal immigrents will be fined 20k for each for small businesses and 50k for large corporations.

    again to get them to leave you have to make it hostile for them to even come here.

    if they commit a crime and are jail then the bill for their housing is sent to their country of origin
    once these places start getting bills from us to take care they will keep their people home.

    There is no such thing as an 'anchor baby.' If the child is born here it is a citizen, the parents, if they are illegal, are not citizens and can be deported. They can choose to leave the child with family, with the state, or take with. But just having a baby here does not legally anchor you here.
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