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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The fire bombing of Dresden and Japan were war crimes. But if you win, you escape the gallows. That's the way it works.

    Killing civilians in Iraq when there's a recognized government in place is not war crime but falls under Iraqs jurisdiction.

    A perfect example was the My Lai incident aka "My Lai Massacre."

    If the My Lai hamlets were have been north of the 17th parallel, there would have been a war crime. But My Lai was south of the 17th parallel with in the sovereign nation of the RVN.

    The U.S. military were guest of the RVN and were under RVN laws.

    Since the RVN government in Saigon considered the civilians with in My Lai as being either VC or VC sympathizers and were classified as the enemy, the RVN government refused to file murder charges against Lt. William Kelly.

    So Lt. Kelly was brought up on charges under the UCMJ.

    CATCH-22, Black Water didn't fall under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ.
    Right, which is why Cheney brought them in. So that he could commit his war crimes in the dark.
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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Holy crap. Blackwater threatened to assassinate a government official a few weeks before these guards, who are now on trial for manslaughter, committed the heinous act of massacring civilians.

    Manslaughter? They should have been brought up on war crimes charges. They are no better than the jihadists who are now slaughtering civilians in Iraq, and should receive the same treatment. We have met the terrorists, and they are Blackwater. And people have the god damned gall to ask why they hate us? The answer is obvious. As for the Blackwater official who made the assassination threat? He deserves life in prison without parole.

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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Funny how the typical Bush/Cheney supporters are absent, save one and he actually defended Blackwater. Partisan hypocrisy at its HIGHEST,
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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He's not really defending it, he's just correcting your terms.

    Your knee jerk reaction is similar to those who scream "Your defense of baby killing is sickening" when you point out to them that "Your wrong, abortion is not 'murder' because 'murder' is illegal killing".

    He's not so much defending civilians as arguing against your assertion that they should be brought up on "war crimes".
    They should be brought up for murder, and the manager that threatened to kill a US diplomat who was going to investigate wrong doing should be tried on treason. And I thought there was only one defender of the Blackwater (emphasis on BLACK) mercenaries in this thread!
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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    They should be brought up for murder, and the manager that threatened to kill a US diplomat who was going to investigate wrong doing should be tried on treason. And I thought there was only one defender of the Blackwater (emphasis on BLACK) mercenaries in this thread!
    You seem to need to look up what "defend" means. Pointing out incorrect information, or highlighting that someone is doing such, is not "defending".

    If they broke Iraqi laws, then the Iraqi's should decide what legal action they wish to take. If they broke any United States laws that would apply in a foreign country then the U.S. should take legal action against them for that. This doesn't qualify as "war crimes" however, and asserting that they should be charged with such simply because you have a strong dislike for their actions doesn't magically make it correct.

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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You seem to need to look up what "defend" means. Pointing out incorrect information, or highlighting that someone is doing such, is not "defending".

    If they broke Iraqi laws, then the Iraqi's should decide what legal action they wish to take. If they broke any United States laws that would apply in a foreign country then the U.S. should take legal action against them for that. This doesn't qualify as "war crimes" however, and asserting that they should be charged with such simply because you have a strong dislike for their actions doesn't magically make it correct.
    I didn't mention war crimes in the post you quoted. Glad to see you support prosecution, though you know there will be none.
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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I didn't mention war crimes in the post you quoted. Glad to see you support prosecution, though you know there will be none.
    You didn't, but the quote of mine you posted was addressing one that DID mention war crimes. You claimed that my support of the notion that "war crimes" would be the wrong charge here was somehow "defending" them. Thus the mention of war crimes.

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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Watch this thread end up way in the back pages without conservative posters commentary. Nothing to see here because this is a Bush/Cheney crime. We'd already be on page 40 if this happened under Obama's watch, so typical, so transparent. So the reason why presidents get away with their crimes.
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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Yes. Our American leaders are evil and not enough people care.




    Which in turn leads to crap like this.

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