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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The fire bombing of Dresden and Japan were war crimes. But if you win, you escape the gallows. That's the way it works.

    Killing civilians in Iraq when there's a recognized government in place is not war crime but falls under Iraqs jurisdiction.

    A perfect example was the My Lai incident aka "My Lai Massacre."

    If the My Lai hamlets were have been north of the 17th parallel, there would have been a war crime. But My Lai was south of the 17th parallel with in the sovereign nation of the RVN.

    The U.S. military were guest of the RVN and were under RVN laws.

    Since the RVN government in Saigon considered the civilians with in My Lai as being either VC or VC sympathizers and were classified as the enemy, the RVN government refused to file murder charges against Lt. William Kelly.

    So Lt. Kelly was brought up on charges under the UCMJ.

    CATCH-22, Black Water didn't fall under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ.
    Your defense of the killing of civilians is sickening.
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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    For the usual uninformed and misinformed like those who put an incompetent community organizer into the White House, there is no longer a "Black Water."

    But to **** with the left, there is a Black Water website. -> https://www.blackwaterusa.com/

    Those former Black Water employees are American military veterans doing what they should have been allowed to do when they were on active duty with the U.S. military, killing America's enemies without liberal political correct Rules of Engagement.

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    I seriously doubt that gunning down civilians is just an escape from ROE. It's murder. ROE only apply to armed enemy.

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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Your defense of the killing of civilians is sickening.
    He's not really defending it, he's just correcting your terms.

    Your knee jerk reaction is similar to those who scream "Your defense of baby killing is sickening" when you point out to them that "Your wrong, abortion is not 'murder' because 'murder' is illegal killing".

    He's not so much defending civilians as arguing against your assertion that they should be brought up on "war crimes".

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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    For the right price DemSocialist, those mercenaries will help you succeed in your war of liberation.
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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Your defense of the killing of civilians is sickening.
    Zyphlin beat me to the punch in post #13.

    You used the term war crime not knowing what a war crime is.

    I gave you an example, My Lai. If My Lai were have been north of the 17th parallel (in North Vietnam) it would have been a war crime. Since the My Lai villages were south of the 17th parallel with in the RVN it wasn't a war crime and came under the laws of the RVN.

    Remember, the American military was not an occupation force in South Vietnam but were guest of the RVN government and we had to obey the laws of South Vietnam from traffic laws to murder.

    Unlike the ROE that were forced upon the Navy and Air Force over North Vietnam by the LBJ administration, the ROE that were forced upon the American troops in South Vietnam were written by the RVN government in Saigon. (And they seemed to change daily, free fire zones seemed to have gotten smaller and smaller as the war waged on.)

    The fire bombings of Dresden during WW ll was a war crime. The entire Soviet offense against Germany on the western front during WW ll was a war crime. Some would say Sherman's march to the sea during the American Civil War was a war crime.

    The war in the Pacific during WW ll was one big war crime.

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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Holy crap. Blackwater threatened to assassinate a government official a few weeks before these guards, who are now on trial for manslaughter, committed the heinous act of massacring civilians.

    Manslaughter? They should have been brought up on war crimes charges. They are no better than the jihadists who are now slaughtering civilians in Iraq, and should receive the same treatment. We have met the terrorists, and they are Blackwater. And people have the god damned gall to ask why they hate us? The answer is obvious. As for the Blackwater official who made the assassination threat? He deserves life in prison without parole.

    Article is here.
    Probably a reason not to use mercenaries in the first place.
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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Holy crap. Blackwater threatened to assassinate a government official a few weeks before these guards, who are now on trial for manslaughter, committed the heinous act of massacring civilians.

    Manslaughter? They should have been brought up on war crimes charges. They are no better than the jihadists who are now slaughtering civilians in Iraq, and should receive the same treatment. We have met the terrorists, and they are Blackwater. And people have the god damned gall to ask why they hate us? The answer is obvious. As for the Blackwater official who made the assassination threat? He deserves life in prison without parole.

    Article is here.
    War is ugly, people involved in war do ugly things, thanks for posting this though, +1.

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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but killing of civilians is a war crime. And threatening to assassinate a US official is treason.
    But only under the Geneva Convention rules, correct? if so, didn't that get tossed out the window with the bath water too?

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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I urge everyone to read the entire NYTimes article. It is shocking and appalling. Even worse is that governmental agencies, from US Embassy officials in Iraq to the State Department and about everyone in between were in collusion with the horrific Blackwater attitude that "the law couldn't touch" them... and not only did nothing about it, they actually encouraged it because our government had allowed itself to become so dependent upon Blackwater's willingness to take high-risk missions using basically what sounds like a number of "don't ask, don't tell" procedures that were highly questionable and in some cases blatantly illegal.

    I'm not easily shocked any more. This... this shocked me.
    My guess is that there are many similar incidents to be examined. The arrogance of the Executive branch filtered all the way down to the lowest levels. Torture, murder, plunder, and on and on. A sad situation, but one expects such from a war brought under fraud.

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    Re: Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Blackwater is a reckless organizations that actually believes they can get away with anything. They think of themselves of above the law. They are nothing but mercenary thugs.
    Brought in by Cheney to do the criminal work that would have been more difficult to do overtly by the military.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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