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    Re: US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq

    So you're the US. Do you:

    A) Abandon the embassy. Most folks are already out of there anyway.

    B) Do nothing at all. Leave the comparative skeleton crew- and arguable the largest ambassadorial complex in the world- to give overrun or not, inshallah.

    c) Send some folks to protect the skeleton crew.
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    Re: US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Two hundred more troops and detachment of helicopters and drones being sent to protect Americans and the US embassy.

    The U.S. is sending another 300 troops to Iraq to beef up security at the U.S. Embassy and elsewhere in the Baghdad area to protect U.S. citizens and property, officials said Monday.

    That raises the total U.S. troop presence in Iraq to approximately 750, the Pentagon said.'


    US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq - ABC News







    And the number just keeps growing and growing and growing...


    So, the situation is worse than we previously thought...

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    Re: US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'Two hundred more troops and detachment of helicopters and drones being sent to protect Americans and the US embassy.

    The U.S. is sending another 300 troops to Iraq to beef up security at the U.S. Embassy and elsewhere in the Baghdad area to protect U.S. citizens and property, officials said Monday.

    That raises the total U.S. troop presence in Iraq to approximately 750, the Pentagon said.'


    US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq - ABC News







    And the number just keeps growing and growing and growing...
    I was telling my friends that even though I am politically opposite of Obama I do support him not engaging us in another war. Apparently I am going to have to stop saying that because it looks like he is trying to sneak us into another war.
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    Re: US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq

    Far be it for someone on the Left(ish) to bring up Benghazi, but...

    What would you like the President to do when there is a threat to an embassy? He was targeted in the past when he didn't send support troops, you're now trying to target him for sending in troops - the only alternative I can see, as OWO mentioned, is to shut the embassy and run, which I can't imagine would go down well either...
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    Re: US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    Far be it for someone on the Left(ish) to bring up Benghazi, but...

    What would you like the President to do when there is a threat to an embassy? He was targeted in the past when he didn't send support troops, you're now trying to target him for sending in troops - the only alternative I can see, as OWO mentioned, is to shut the embassy and run, which I can't imagine would go down well either...
    I could care less what wouldn't 'go down well', only the weak worry about that.

    You either shut down the embassy until the situation stabilizes or you have only a skeleton staff.

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    Re: US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I could care less what wouldn't 'go down well', only the weak worry about that.
    If people's opinions shouldn't matter, why did you bother making a thread essentially saying "I disapprove!"

    You either shut down the embassy until the situation stabilizes or you have only a skeleton staff.
    ...or you increase the protection, as has happened here. Don't worry, it doesn't matter if it doesn't go down well with you - apparently only the weak would worry about what you think.
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    Re: US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    If people's opinions shouldn't matter, why did you bother making a thread essentially saying "I disapprove!"

    ...or you increase the protection, as has happened here. Don't worry, it doesn't matter if it doesn't go down well with you - apparently only the weak would worry about what you think.


    I did not say 'people's opinions shouldn't matter'.

    I was talking about this topic and your statement...as in 'you don't base foreign policy on what others think...you just do the right thing'.

    I actually have to explain that to you?

    Either you are emotionally challenged or you are playing childish games.

    Either way, I am not wasting my time on you.


    We are done here.

    Good day.
    Last edited by DA60; 07-01-14 at 11:50 AM.

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    Re: US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post


    I did not say 'people's opinions shouldn't matter'.

    I was talking about this topic and your statement...as in 'you don't base foreign policy on what others think...you just do the right thing'.

    I actually have to explain that to you?

    Either you are emotionally challenged or you are playing childish games.

    Either way, I am not wasting my time on you.


    We are done here.

    Good day.
    Do I have to explain to you that "that won't go down well" is because it's (also) not the right thing to do? There are normally reasons why people have opinions.

    In this case, you're advocating closing down an embassy and withdrawing staff from the middle of an area which America has pretty vested interests (both economically and politically) in keeping stable, which contains a fair number of US citizens/contractors whom the embassy could no longer support, which has a certain level of dependence on US intervention for it's existence in the first place and which is being threatened by a group which (if I recall correctly) were kicked out of Al-Quaeda for being 'too extreme'. If the US were to cut and run it may well result in the fall of Iraq as a multicultural entity - which leads potentially to ethnic cleansing and all manner of nastiness, plus renewed problems in Iran, Syria etc - all of which act as extra catalyst for radicalism and attacks in the US and elsewhere.

    This is a situation where there is no 'right thing to do' - but I do think that this is the lesser of evils. Withdraw, and the region might fold. Leave a skeleton staff, and you emperil further those who remain behind, along with those Americans who might need help but for whom there isn't personnel available. Do nothing, and risk everyone who stays. Or send in extra protection, which might act as a stabilising presence and will certainly keep US citizens safe.

    "The right thing" is not as obvious as you make it out to be. The people who have the most information about the situation have made their decisions, and you are second-guessing from the sidelines, offering no actual reasons for your criticism but voicing your opinion all the same, whilst simultaniously saying that it is facts, not opinions, that matter.

    But, if you don't want to have to actually support your opinions, then...

    *Doffs fancy hat*

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    Re: US Sending 300 More US Troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I really don't understand why we are protecting an embassy in a country where we are letting the militants take over.
    Why risk so many lives in a situation we are not committed to being apart of. Are they hoping to somehow have diplomatic ties with the new Islamic extremist government once the civil war is over? I am left scratching my head here... We are sending in just enough troops for them to be in danger of getting caught in the crossfire and killed in large numbers. This is a disaster waiting to happen. If we don't want any part of Iraq's problems, then we should be evacuating the embassy completely.



    We (The USA.) are not 'letting the militants take over' in Iraq.

    Iraq is 'letting the militants take over' and its their problem.

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