Obama to take executive action on immigration

Texmex · Jun 30, 2014

MaggieD said:
Interesting read:

The five EOs referred to are:

In the spring of 2012, President Obama issued an aggressive string of executive orders to combat what he viewed as hopelessly-deadlocked Congress. Some of his more controversial, and arguably unconstitutional executive orders are as follows:

1. Directed the Justice Department to stop defending the Defense of Marriage Act;
2. Gave states waivers from federal mandates if they agreed to education overhauls;
3. Changed significant provisions of and the timing of Obamacare;
4. Declared an anti-gay-rights law unconstitutional;
5. Reshaped immigration policy by ordering the federal government to halt deportation of certain illegal immigrants.

ARE PRESIDENT OBAMA'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS CONSTITUTIONAL? - MequonNOW

All these words for a such a simple question. It just shows that you think you can cloud the issue. The truth is that Ronald Reagan granted amnesty, and if Obama is a dictator for doing the same thing then either they are both dictators or you are not telling the truth.

apdst · Jun 30, 2014

TheDemSocialist said:
He said my ideas are "illegal and moot". How does one make ideas illegal?

Stalin had ideas and a lot of them would be illegal under American law. Hitler had ideas, too, the ku klux ckowns, black panthers, weathermen...see the point?

TheDemSocialist · Jun 30, 2014

apdst said:
Stalin had ideas and a lot of them would be illegal under American law. Hitler had ideas, too, the ku klux ckowns, black panthers, weathermen...see the point?

So simply having ideas is illegal. Better bring out the thought police apdst.

polgara · Jun 30, 2014

NIMBY said:
Obama said nothing of the kind.
He did say he was moving assets to the border to help with the illegal problem.
A problem Republicans say they want dealt with in the House but refuse to vote for Immigration Reform for the rest of the year.
Not quite the bang for the buck we were looking for huh?
How do you like those Hispanics calling Obama the Deporter-in-Chief on one hand and the GOP House refusing to vote on the other .

Greetings, NIMBY. :2wave:

The Congress had stated to BHO months ago that they would not tackle the immigration problem until later this year. BHO knew this - it did not come as a surprise. In view of the fact that illegals have been a problem for years, why the push for immediate action now? Cantor's loss at the polls should have caught BHO's attention - the public voted loud and clear what they thought about amnesty - Cantor was somewhat on BHO's side, and he paid for it by losing his job!

Now we're reading about Border Agents contracting diseases and other illnesses from some of the 90,000 teenagers and younger children who recently arrived, which alarms people all across this Country. What do you suggest we do, NIMBY? The very poor from other countries have not had the vaccinations and other health regimens we have available, yet we need to assimilate them into our society, no questions asked? Not gonna happen, IMO. Things like dengue fever and other illnesses are too serious to allow that, and we're not equipped to handle illnesses we eradicated long ago. What a mess!

apdst · Jun 30, 2014

TheDemSocialist said:
So simply having ideas is illegal. Better bring out the thought police apdst.

If someone had the idea to assassinate the president and expressed that idea, that would be illegal. Yes?

MaggieD · Jun 30, 2014

Texmex said:
All these words for a such a simple question. It just shows that you think you can cloud the issue. The truth is that Ronald Reagan granted amnesty, and if Obama is a dictator for doing the same thing then either they are both dictators or you are not telling the truth.

The bill Reagan signed that was passed by Congress made any illegal who entered the country prior to 1982 eligible for amnesty. He then granted it. What's the problem? Congress passed the bill.

TheDemSocialist · Jun 30, 2014

apdst said:
If someone had the idea to assassinate the president and expressed that idea, that would be illegal. Yes?

Wait so now its actions. The idea is not illegal. However acting on a treasonous and/or murderous ideal is illegal. Having ideas is in fact not illegal, its acting on some ideas that are.

apdst · Jun 30, 2014

TheDemSocialist said:
Wait so now its actions. The idea is not illegal. However acting on a treasonous and/or murderous ideal is illegal. Having ideas is in fact not illegal, its acting on some ideas that are.

Simply talking about the idea of assassinating the president could land one in jail. Promoting the genocide of Jews, Ukranians, Montogards and Hmong like you brother socialist might land you in jail, as well.

polgara · Jun 30, 2014

apdst said:
If someone had the idea to assassinate the president and expressed that idea, that would be illegal. Yes?

Bees could learn some lessons about swarming just by watching what happens when the POTUS is threatened, couldn't they? :shock:

Greetings, apdst. :2wave:

apdst · Jun 30, 2014

MaggieD said:
The bill Reagan signed that was passed by Congress made any illegal who entered the country prior to 1982 eligible for amnesty. He then granted it. What's the problem? Congress passed the bill.

Texmex got caught in a lie; that's the problem.

apdst · Jun 30, 2014

polgara said:
Bees could learn some lessons about swarming just by watching what happens when the POTUS is threatened, couldn't they? :shock:

Greetings, apdst. :2wave:

That's a no ****ter!

CRUE CAB · Jun 30, 2014

poweRob said:
I suppose this is another instance where it's only ok when republicans do it.

Yea, keep going back a few years. How about NOW.

TheDemSocialist · Jun 30, 2014

apdst said:
Simply talking about the idea of assassinating the president could land one in jail.

Would associating those ideas and speaking taking an action? And key word there is COULD

Promoting the genocide of Jews, Ukranians, Montogards and Hmong like you brother socialist might land you in jail, as well.

Of course supporting genocide is illegal.. Thats acting as well. And why would i want to do that?

poweRob · Jun 30, 2014

CRUE CAB said:
Yea, keep going back a few years. How about NOW.

So I'm right... Glad to see you admit your partisanship is large and in charge.

AJiveMan · Jul 1, 2014

NIMBY said:
Boehner states that the House will not move on Immigration Reform.
And Obama gets labeled as the Deporter-in-Chief hurting him with that part of the electorate--as Con/GOPs snicker.

But Boehner won't move on Immigration Reform because the President can't be trusted.
Now lookie here at the ultimate strawman by a Speaker.
No Amnesty!
No Amnesty!
No Amnesty!
But Boehner may play after the election .

You can tell boner never looks in a mirror, he would see a crying hypocrite.

AJiveMan · Jul 1, 2014

NIMBY said:
Boehner states that the House will not move on Immigration Reform.
And Obama gets labeled as the Deporter-in-Chief hurting him with that part of the electorate--as Con/GOPs snicker.

But Boehner won't move on Immigration Reform because the President can't be trusted.
Now lookie here at the ultimate strawman by a Speaker.
No Amnesty!
No Amnesty!
No Amnesty!
But Boehner may play after the election .

In that chart, it separates "removals" from "returns", the difference is removals are when illegals are fingerprinted, mug shot, and recorded in a data base. Returns mean that illegals are not documented at all, and are simply returned to Mexico. Note the higher rate of removals under this administration.

MMC · Jul 1, 2014

polgara said:
We have native-born children living in poverty, so I don't give a rat's behind about living conditions in other countries. Let them take care of their own people! No more welfare and no more handouts from us! Maybe they'll go back where they came from. Why should America have to provide amnesty to those who have violated our laws and our sovereignty, and why the Hell does it have to be done immediately?

Greetings, MMC. :2wave:

Mornin Lady P.

I agree about taking care of our own here. But Then with the maps I have up.....I think Mexico has some real explaining to do.....since they are allowing all to trapse thru their country.

Kal'Stang · Jul 1, 2014

AJiveMan said:
Well, the only reason I dove into this thread is because your post caught my attention, by challenging another member for proof. or "LOOK IT UP YOURSELF"

I can post links in which what is claimed is 1/2 truth (politico) or another by pew research, which do you want?

You also could look it up too. After reading some of the links, you'd be better informed, and make you a better debater.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/enforcement_ar_2009.pdf
If this chart loads, it's from the new republic, source is the department of homeland security.

You'll notice removals are higher under Obama.

View attachment 67169027

Your link only goes to 2009. There is no link for your graph. :shrug:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/...stration-inflates-deportation-statistics.html

Deportation Numbers Unwrapped | Center for Immigration Studies

Voices: Obama deporter in chief? Not quite

Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review Online[/QUOTE]

Linc · Jul 1, 2014

MaggieD said:
The bill Reagan signed that was passed by Congress made any illegal who entered the country prior to 1982 eligible for amnesty. He then granted it. What's the problem? Congress passed the bill.

Wasn't it nice to have a congress working with a President then?
We don't have that problem to contend with now do we ?

Linc · Jul 1, 2014

polgara said:
The Congress had stated to BHO months ago that they would not tackle the immigration problem until later this year. BHO knew this - it did not come as a surprise. In view of the fact that illegals have been a problem for years, why the push for immediate action now? Cantor's loss at the polls should have caught BHO's attention - the public voted loud and clear what they thought about amnesty - Cantor was somewhat on BHO's side, and he paid for it by losing his job!

Cantor lost his job for a lot more reasons than immigration.
As for the people speaking, only 35,000 or less than 5% of the entire Congressional district, voted for the Brat.
Republican pollsters are reporting that Democrats are more energetic to vote than Republicans, especially women.
Bet you know why too !!

MaggieD · Jul 1, 2014

NIMBY said:
Wasn't it nice to have a congress working with a President then?
We don't have that problem to contend with now do we ?

President Obama defined his presidency when he swiftly used his congressional majority to push through his signature healthcare legislation. "We won't know what's in it until we pass it" became the Party Mantra. It was the goal of the King Makers who got him elected. The bill was written long before he was elected and was the endgame all along. There was nothing about that process that engendered cooperation. He's reaping what he so carefully sowed. You're surprised?

Kal'Stang · Jul 1, 2014

Texmex said:
All these words for a such a simple question. It just shows that you think you can cloud the issue. The truth is that Ronald Reagan granted amnesty, and if Obama is a dictator for doing the same thing then either they are both dictators or you are not telling the truth.

Perhaps you don't know the difference between an executive order which is what Obama is wanting to use vs Reagan signing a bill passed by our Legislative Branch. I'd suggest that you go back and read up on not only our Constitutional History but also in how our Constitution works. It would prevent you from making very stupid remarks such as the one that you just posted.

MMC · Jul 1, 2014

TheDemSocialist said:
Last time I checked the United States borders were not in the middle east.

That deflection doesn't work with knowing how wrong he gets things. Which dealing with Mexico is FP. Which doesn't count the money he just gave to Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. Clearly he is lacking there too.

CRUE CAB · Jul 1, 2014

poweRob said:
So I'm right... Glad to see you admit your partisanship is large and in charge.

Different times the 80s were. But you keep living in them, OK.

AJiveMan · Jul 1, 2014

Kal'Stang said:
Your link only goes to 2009. There is no link for your graph. :shrug:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/...stration-inflates-deportation-statistics.html

Deportation Numbers Unwrapped | Center for Immigration Studies

Voices: Obama deporter in chief? Not quite

Obama Administration Inflating Deportation Numbers | National Review Online

I told you in the post you're responding to you can look stuff up for yourself, and you can. Should I believe your CON links? There's nothing worse than a closed mind. You can be subjective or objective, but won't even believe politifact (source of the 1/2 truth).

Obama to take executive action on immigration

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