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Obama to take executive action on immigration

solletica said:
No child is illegal and O doesn't need an EO to quit enforcing the drug laws--if he did that, the immigration crisis would instantly be solved.
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If they were not born here then yes, they are here illegally. Age doesn't matter. And no, the drug problem that we have is seperate from the illegal immigration problem. Drug cartels just use illegals because its convienant. Even if there was 0.0 people coming into the US illegally we would still be having trouble with the drug cartels. Or do you really think that using illegal aliens is the only way that the drug cartels bring drugs into this country?
 
azgreg said:
That's a news article (that I have already read by the way), not an executive order. I asked what EO he issued that allowed that?
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Really? Do you really want to be that anal? The article itself states that he was using EO's. If you want the specific one then go look it up yourself. All I had to do was prove that he was using them for what I said. That article was plenty proof.
 
Perotista said:
That he did, if he didn't change (rewrite) existing law, the president at a minimum wrote and added his own amendment to it. Probably unconstitutional, but we will never know as no one challenged it. At least in the court system. But I have to admit to me it did seem like the right and human thing to do. I thought he overstepped his authority, but at the time I didn't worry about it.
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No one CAN challenge it. Except Congress/Senate. And in order for them to do it they have to vote on whether to do it or not. GL on that.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Really? Do you really want to be that anal? The article itself states that he was using EO's. If you want the specific one then go look it up yourself. All I had to do was prove that he was using them for what I said. That article was plenty proof.
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Maybe I am a little anal, I get that. I like to read the EOs and see how some of this comes about. I don't always understand them as I'm an engineer and not a lawyer. maybe it's one of the ones covering changes in regulation that went over my head.
 
Calling in to question the "substance" of the executive order is another new phenomenone with Obama's Presidency.

Just as with the total accumulated debt 02/2009 and Obama losing 2.2 million jobs his first 3 months.

Dismissing Obama's low number of executive orders compared to Reagan and GWB is summarily dismissed here also.
Obama should catch up with Reagan toot sweet and force Boehner's hand on lawsuits.

How do Americans feel about a plethora of frivolous lawsuits ?
 
Maenad said:
Given that our immigration laws are statutory in nature, I don't know how in the hell he thinks he is going to do that. I guess this will be another set of laws he and Holder will be telling us to ignore.
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Heya Maenad.
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Well he did hold up the DHS review.....do you think they should be harping on that in the News? How about some reporters asking BO.....whats up with you holding up a review on the Southern Border? What you scared of something BO.? What you trying to hide BO? Do you know how you look Right now before the American People.....care to tell us about your Transparent Administration now. What Happened there BO?

Oh and what names are those Meany Republicans calling you now BO? Oh and can you explain as to why now the Demos are calling you names? How do you feel about that BO?

Cmon Cherry......lie to us.....Lie Cherry. Erm I mean BO. Its all that's expected from you now.
 
Kal'Stang said:
No one CAN challenge it. Except Congress/Senate.
And in order for them to do it they have to vote on whether to do it or not. GL on that.
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The Senate acted one year ago.
Speaker Boehner said today there would be NO vote for the rest of the year on Immigration.

Is that a responsible way for the House to behave with such a grave problem, by all accounts?
Can you remember a time when a Speaker ever did that?

Should Obama unilaterally give Citizenship to soldiers who have already fought tours for us in Iraq and afghanistan, tomorrow ?
 
NIMBY said:
Calling in to question the "substance" of the executive order is another new phenomenone with Obama's Presidency.
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Sorry, I was just a kid when Reagan was POTUS. So don't recall. In fact I didn't start getting political until Bush Jr. I don't recall any of his EO's that attempted to rewrite or nullify law other than the torture one. And I was against that and would have had no problem with him being prosecuted for it.

NIMBY said:
Just as with the total accumulated debt 02/2009 and Obama losing 2.2 million jobs his first 3 months.
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Irrelevent to the thread.

NIMBY said:
Dismissing Obama's low number of executive orders compared to Reagan and GWB is summarily dismissed here also.
Obama should catch up with Reagan toot sweet and force Boehner's hand on lawsuits.
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As has been said MANY times over and over...it has NOTHING to do with how many EO's Obama has made vs any other president. It has to do with the Content. When a POTUS starts to ignore laws and rewrite laws via EO's EVERYONE regardless of political stance should denounce it and call him to task about it. Even up to impeachement if necessary. Those that don't are nothing more than political hacks.

NIMBY said:
How do Americans feel about a plethora of frivolous lawsuits ?
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A lawsuit against a POTUS that is ignoring the Constitution and rewriting laws is not frivolous.
 
Kal'Stang said:
No one CAN challenge it. Except Congress/Senate. And in order for them to do it they have to vote on whether to do it or not. GL on that.
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It is my understanding the republican House has done just that, Or will be doing it shortly.
 
NIMBY said:
The Senate acted one year ago.
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On what specifically? The Senate has acted on lots of things. Mind pointing to which one specifically?

NIMBY said:
Speaker Boehner said today there would be NO vote for the rest of the year on Immigration.
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So what? As far as I'm concerned anything that comes up and leads to amnesty needs to be dropped faster than hot lava.

NIMBY said:
Is that a responsible way for the House to behave with such a grave problem, by all accounts?
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If it leads to dropping anything that leads to amnesty...HELL YES.

NIMBY said:
Can you remember a time when a Speaker ever did that?
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I'm pretty sure that even you would agree that lots of Speakers have done such before. How many decades did it take before we got any sort of "health care" reform? (even if it is a piece of crap)

NIMBY said:
Should Obama unilaterally give Citizenship to soldiers who have already fought tours for us in Iraq and afghanistan, tomorrow ?
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Sorry, missed this. No illegal should be entering our Services in the first place. It is a security risk.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Irrelevent to the thread.
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An analogous history of obstructionist behavior is most certainly relevant to this thread.



As has been said MANY times over and over...it has NOTHING to do with how many EO's Obama has made vs any other president.
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THis has been said by you and people who post like you.
I disagree and maintain the EOs are no different than any past ones, especially with this recalcitrant House .
 
Kal'Stang said:
On what specifically? The Senate has acted on lots of things.
Mind pointing to which one specifically?
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Are you telling me you don't remember the bi-partisan Sen. Rubio bill passed one year ago? :lamo
What would you do with Immigration as speaker, besides the nothing Boehner has promised for the rest of the year ? :peace

So what? As far as I'm concerned anything that comes up and leads to amnesty needs to be dropped faster than hot lava.
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You are a Minority in your own Republican party .
 
Perotista said:
It is my understanding the republican House has done just that, Or will be doing it shortly.
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Boehner said NO vote on Immigration the rest of the year .
 
NIMBY said:
An analogous history of obstructionist behavior is most certainly relevant to this thread.
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Except that its not. It's a derailment. Particularly since this has NOTHING to do with obstructionism. It has to do with a President that is ignoring the Constitution and attempting to rewrite and/or ignore laws. Unless of course you think that Obama ignoring the Constitution and rewriting laws is a GOOD thing?!?! Come on Nimby, take off the rose colored glasses.

NIMBY said:
This has been said by you and people who post like you.
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Then why try to make the claim that we're talking about the amount of EO's vs other Presidents? Or do you like playing the strawman game?

NIMBY said:
I disagree and maintain the EOs are no different than any past ones, especially with this recalcitrant House .
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Then argue on that point. Don't try to side step by introducing irrelevent material and attempt to shift the blame.
 
tres borrachos said:
Obama is such a little toughie, isn't he?
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Nah TB,
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he was just crying in Minnesota saying Republicans were being meanies and calling him names. Plus he let some at Politico hear him say he doesn't want to be President if he doesn't have the Senate. That all would be to unbearable for him.


Doesn't sound like a toughie to me......how about you? :lol:
 
NIMBY said:
Boehner said NO vote on Immigration the rest of the year .
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Keep up Nimby, me and Perotista are talking about the Senate thinking about sueing Obama over his over stepping of his authority. Not on the House/Senate doing anything with immigration "reform".
 
Obama is pretty much just daring congress to impeach him. He knows good and well he doesn't have the constitutional grant to do the things he's doing, but is doing it anyway. So much for his oath. This puts him in the running for worst president ever.
 
Where we need to start is by following our current laws. Why the need for a drastic reform? I think it comes down to funding. Its so much easier and cheaper up front to grant amnesty than it is to deport millions of people. So I am betting that once again Washington will take the path of least resistance instead of doing what is right for our nation. This countries leadership (all of it) is really beginning to wear on me in a bad way. I honestly wonder if they have the mental ability to do anything right. It hasn't seemed like they have for quite some time.
 
Kal'Stang said:
If it leads to dropping anything that leads to amnesty...HELL YES.
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So you state that we will not act on the current problems and force the President to make XOs that deal with the House's abdication.



I'm pretty sure that even you would agree
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dismissed for what it might be.
that lots of Speakers have done such before.
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I have a good memory and have never seen a speaker abdicate to a TEA party.
How many decades did it take before we got any sort of "health care" reform?
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Far too many since President Theodore Roosevelt first proposed it--but as you said to me prior, irrelevant to the thread
(even if it is a piece of crap)
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Not only irrelevant to the thread but a cheap shot on ACA designed to pull what from me Kal?

Sorry, missed this. No illegal should be entering our Services in the first place. It is a security risk.
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So deport them after their service right, since you didn't answer the question ?
 
Please file it.

And let's just say NO to any legislation and force the President to put forth an executiive order to move assests to the border for control.

Then file a lawsuit and tell me who has taken obstruction to the next level .
Perotista said:
We were talking about the suit filed if it was filed.
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Sure Kal--who in the Senate would be sueing the President ?
Kal'Stang said:
Keep up Nimby, me and Perotista are talking about the Senate thinking about sueing Obama over his over stepping of his authority. Not on the House/Senate doing anything with immigration "reform".
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